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Mar 10 2023 03:46pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Mar 10 2023 11:46am)
Think this is an underreported news item that's of real significance.



https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/10/iran-saudi-arabia-agree-restore-ties-china-talks

Significant imo for two reasons. Aside from Israel, these two are the primary and most dominant power brokers in the ME and I would say in some ways lead the Muslim world. SA is the leader of Sunnis while Iran is unquestionably the leader for Shiites. Both of these have sponsored rival factions for many years all across the ME. Syria, Yemen, Iraq & many others. If they are at peace this could be the beginning of ME peace that's been so elusive.

Second reason is the contrast this draws between us and China. While we've been going around galvanizing support for Ukraine to fight Russia, with little interest in brokering peace, China is using it's influence for peace. I think the global community notices this and it reflects extremely poorly on us. This is 100% an L for US influence, when the power we want to paint as the ultimate adversary and evil is going around bringing historic foes together to sit down and reconcile differences.


I think this is great news for peace in the ME and world peace in general. Of course the Western governments will denounce this
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Mar 10 2023 04:10pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Mar 10 2023 04:37pm)
i find it curious that you use American meddling in foreign nations (a historical fact) as BOTH a hurdle to negotiations (i agree) AND a sign of desperation due to a thinly spread empire.

how can it be a fact that we did it for a century as we were the undisputed #1 empire on earth AND also do it out of desperation? i'm not saying you're wrong it is in ways a desperate move (Taiwan especially), but it's also business as usual for america. Why would Iran think to themselves "the world #1 superpower did this to us for a few decades, but now that they're still doing it it means they think China will overtake them"?

it's a minor point, i dont disagree with your post at large, and didnt think i posted anything to indicate that i would.


The key difference between today and lets say 30 years ago post Cold war is no one would dared to step out of line because they would immediately get bonked down into place. Things have changed though. 30 years ago if we told Saudi Arabia, hey you gotta pump dawg, they would pump without questions asked. Today we begged them to pump and they basically told us to fuck off. And this is an ally. China, Russia, Iran are not getting more assertive because we're in a stronger position today than prior, but because they see exhaustion and that's what I'm talking about when I say thinly spread. Most people here don't want wars, we have so many internal issues that need addressing like inflation and printing more money to spend on war just makes the issue of inflation and debt even worse. We need to be real careful in how far we push because the harder we push the higher the probability that a critical mass of the world may say we don't want the petro-dollar supremacy, which could bring a world a us in the US that we've never seen before. I think this is already happening but obviously i don't want it to. I live in the US, all my wealth is basically US denominated and tied. I want my assets to appreciate not go the way of Weimar or Venezuela because of geopolitical ambitions that have 0 impact on my life or 98% of normal Americans.
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Mar 10 2023 04:50pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Mar 10 2023 05:10pm)
The key difference between today and lets say 30 years ago post Cold war is no one would dared to step out of line because they would immediately get bonked down into place. Things have changed though. 30 years ago if we told Saudi Arabia, hey you gotta pump dawg, they would pump without questions asked. Today we begged them to pump and they basically told us to fuck off. And this is an ally. China, Russia, Iran are not getting more assertive because we're in a stronger position today than prior, but because they see exhaustion and that's what I'm talking about when I say thinly spread. Most people here don't want wars, we have so many internal issues that need addressing like inflation and printing more money to spend on war just makes the issue of inflation and debt even worse. We need to be real careful in how far we push because the harder we push the higher the probability that a critical mass of the world may say we don't want the petro-dollar supremacy, which could bring a world a us in the US that we've never seen before. I think this is already happening but obviously i don't want it to. I live in the US, all my wealth is basically US denominated and tied. I want my assets to appreciate not go the way of Weimar or Venezuela because of geopolitical ambitions that have 0 impact on my life or 98% of normal Americans.


That's unlikely to happen as a result of geopolitical ambition. If that happens here, it's going to be domestic issues that finish the job.

There's an overconcern with the dollar's reserve currency status. US "core" allies (i.e. excluding anyone outside of Western Europe, Poland, Japan, and Korea) represents more than 50% of global GDP. The United States alone represents a quarter. That's too much business for the rest of the world to ignore, and people generally like doing business in dollar dominated institutions because they're safe and secure. As a few Western money-managers found out recently, it can be awfully hard to cash out investments in semi-closed economies. Chinese capital controls have limited the ability of some US investors to head for the exits. We are seeing certain non-Western states embrace alternative solutions, mostly as a means of circumventing Western sanctions. But the flow through those institutions is a fraction of what goes through the dollar-system, and it won't be a threat until those economies can build up the regulatory trust that has existed for a century in the West.
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Mar 11 2023 04:00am
Quote (ofthevoid @ 11 Mar 2023 03:46)
Think this is an underreported news item that's of real significance.



https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/10/iran-saudi-arabia-agree-restore-ties-china-talks

Significant imo for two reasons. Aside from Israel, these two are the primary and most dominant power brokers in the ME and I would say in some ways lead the Muslim world. SA is the leader of Sunnis while Iran is unquestionably the leader for Shiites. Both of these have sponsored rival factions for many years all across the ME. Syria, Yemen, Iraq & many others. If they are at peace this could be the beginning of ME peace that's been so elusive.

Second reason is the contrast this draws between us and China. While we've been going around galvanizing support for Ukraine to fight Russia, with little interest in brokering peace, China is using it's influence for peace. I think the global community notices this and it reflects extremely poorly on us. This is 100% an L for US influence, when the power we want to paint as the ultimate adversary and evil is going around bringing historic foes together to sit down and reconcile differences.


This is a very positive move for both countries. I hope they will move on and improve it even further.
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