reported charges are for involuntary manslaughter, likely not due to actually the trigger pulling but a general lack of safety on set he was the producer of that led to the shooting.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/alec-baldwin-shooting-charges-involuntary-manslaughter-rust-movie-11674081157?mod=hp_lead_pos10

reports of live rounds and blanks being mixed up on set, and cast members taking the guns from the set to a range to target shoot them. just so many issues with this from a gun safety perspective.

ironic and political due to Baldwin himself making repeated statements about the lack of gun safety in america and lack of legislation around gun ownership and use, calling for safety course requirements, mocking how easy it is for an ignorant person or violent person to get a gun.

meanwhile rule #1, the most basic rule of gun safety, is NEVER point the barrel of a gun (loaded or unloaded) at anything you dont want to kill, human or otherwise. doesnt matter if a wall is inbetween, doesnt matter if you know 100% its not loaded, doesnt matter if its even a revolver with the cylinder open. every second that gun is in your hand if you're walking or sitting or anything the barrel faces the ground until its time to fire. and thats the only time your finger ever touches the trigger.

Honestly I feel bad for the guy, even though I think he is a gigantic douche

This post was edited by DizzyBusiness on Jan 19 2023 12:18pm

if someone who doesnt know about guns handles guns and an accident happens i feel bad.

if someone who doesnt know about guns handles guns and vocally preaches gun safety measures and laws we need and an accident happens i dont feel bad.

now it sounds like he's claiming he never pulled the trigger and its someone else's fault. if it was a single action revolver like i assume i have serious doubts about him not pulling the trigger but it going off.

Fair, I'm not rooting for him or anything

he deserved it

"
Ms Carmack-Altwies said she knew who loaded the gun that Baldwin discharged while rehearsing on set, but declined to comment further on the subject.
Baldwin believed the gun was “cold,” meaning it contained blank rounds and was safe for use.
"

So Alec Baldwin didnt check what was loaded in the gun. Is he really responsible ? Does that means that all the actors in US should check before firing ? How about automatic guns ? Check every cartidge ?
Sorry but i think it's rude; the guy should not be roasted. He will already have to face the drama for the rest of his life.

The person who loaded the gun however...

i know you're not from a gun country, so im not mocking you, but it's this simple.

if you're holding a gun, if you know that its loaded with blanks, or even if you KNOW 100% it's unloaded, you do not point the barrel of that gun at a human being. ever, for any reason.

he had a gun he KNEW was loaded, and thought they were blanks, and was rehearsing hand movements by playing around with it. it went off.

the safe procedure would have been for him to practice handling (removing from a holster, spinning it around, handling it) with a replica gun. like how in war movies they practice with wood swords. then the moment the scene is shot an armorer hands him a confirmed unloaded gun unless he has to shoot. in which case they hand him a gun loaded with exactly the number of bullets he needs that have been triple checked to be blanks.

this scene was a mess, and he was running the movie. the max sentence is 18 months jail time, he wont see a day of jail, but deserves to be prosecuted for the negligence he showed as a producer. he'll pay a small fine and have learned a lesson that guns arent toys and he should follow his own advice and do a safety course.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Jan 19 2023 01:52pm

I know this you wrote it in first post, but don't forget you are on a film set: these people are supposed to be professionals, with insurances and all, and bringing "alive" cartidges on the site was already a crazy idea on my eyes.
After that the actors are supposed to use the weapons (which should not even be real, working, weapons in anyway. Almost sure the detonation noises are edited so using real weapon is just weird).

Actors have to use the weapons several times and to repeat it before recording. They may have to take breaks and use the weapons again for more recording etc... So the usual safety checks (this is what you were talking about) can't really apply here IMHO.
The whole checks & security, responsibilities, would have been done upstream. This said maybe mr Baldwin has responsibility in this phase (the negligence you were talking about) Especially as producer he is on a hot seat.

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Jan 19 2023 02:09pm

Baldwin chose to take a gun someone handed him in downtime between filming and play with it. he pointed it at a human being, inadvertently, and it went off and they died.

while im sure his role as a producer plays in, i feel that's a textbook case of involuntary manslaughter. his actions were negligent and dangerous, and someone died. the fact he thought it was loaded with blanks is not only not a defense its worse than if he thought it was unloaded. blanks can still kill people, there's a graveyard full of magicians who did the "bullet catch" trick to prove it.

his role as a producer of a film set that even had live ammo on it isn't the case, imo, its the nail in the coffin.

Btw who the hell loaded this gun ?