Seems to me like that's basically checkmate, especially after the strikes on their electrical grid, anyone know of a source of fuel that Ukraine could potentially tap into before then?

I don't think Europe will be able to handle the demand since they will be struggling to meet their own energy needs, OPEC probably won't with SA cozying up to Russia and trying to get into BRICS, the US might be able to increase production but they are already tapping into their national fuel reserves so I'm thinking they don't have a lot to spare, Canada has tons but they have a lot of political issues with increasing production and it would be hard to get it to eastern Europe I would think.

Well Russia is literally a joke with nukes at this point...Could end up cold and nuclear.
Time will tell

Wtf does that even mean lol

russian soldiers bodies could be burned for fuel.

Probably nothing much different from before. AFAIK it's more expensive (like 40% or so) to be at war at winter.

Europe won't ever stop supporting as long as European citizens aren't raiding and looting. And as you can imagine, that's an highly unlikely scenario.

Inb4: Seething retards from any side incoming in 3, 2, 1 telling everyone winning is a matter of weeks.

Very edgy 10/10

Nice a real answer! Thank you

I agree Europe would support them as much as possible but I just don't see how they can provide the fuel they would need, they have their own energy problems right now. Like even with 100% public support which is starting to wane, they can only do so much logistically.

It's one thing to have rolling blackouts and shortages in the summer but it will be pretty brutal trying to survive through a winter there with no heat. Seems like pretty significant leverage to me. Even with unlimited money being thrown at the problem I'm not sure there is a quick fix.

In the south and most of the country the winter rains will soften the ground and prevent larger scale mobility.
I expect Russians to filter in recruits, attempt to stabilise the fronts then counter offensive in the spring.

As for Ukrainian civilians it won't be pretty. It will still be far less desperate than for example WW2 Stalingrad.

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Nov 2 2022 01:03pm

Yeah I dont imagine there will be much ground force mobilization on either side during the winter, but I don't see how the Ukrainians hold out with no fuel, I would think they will have to negotiate soon in order to get energy from Russia, no?

They have lots of support from other countries but I dont know who of their allies can supply the fuel they will need to survive the winter, especially since they don't really have a lot of buying power right now, they are dependent on foreign support.

Canada has huge oil reserves but I dont know if they could ramp up production in time or get it there, maybe a country in eastern Europe? As far as I know Russia/Ukraine were the main energy suppliers for the region, but not super well educated on that.

I've seen some pro-Russia accounts claim that the vehicles the AFU is being supplied with are much less capable in mud and snow than the vehicles Russia has, no idea if that's true or not.

This post was edited by kusotarre1 on Nov 2 2022 01:30pm