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May 12 2022 11:54pm
First, let me define some terms. Reality: the totality of existence. Therefore, the negation of reality is non-being, not anything, or literally nothing.

Let us say that we are part of an apparently designed reality that arbitrarily exists. By apparently designed, I mean it behaves in an intelligible way: it is filled with intelligible processes. Our reality is neither chaos nor random. If it were, then science would be impossible, and we would not exist. An apparently designed reality seems to me to be more plausible given theism because if atheism were true, then I would expect reality to behave in an unintelligible and random manner. Actually, I would not expect it to exist at all, but I am getting ahead of myself. How would chemistry, biology, mathematics, physics, etc., exist in such a reality? Put another way, is an unintelligible reality more likely given atheism or theism? Perhaps you disagree, but an unintelligible reality seems more likely given that atheism were true. Yet, we find ourselves in an intelligible reality.

So, we exist in this apparently designed reality that arbitrary exists. Did it always exist? I know that some people believe that time is interwoven with the universe, but is that true for all existence (reality)? Let us say that it is. That would mean we could never ask was there a time before reality? But this just an exercise in semantics to avoid a big question: did reality come out of non-being, uncaused? Perhaps that is not what happened. Perhaps reality is past-eternal, like how God is described in the Bible.

If our apparently designed reality that arbitrary exists is past-eternal, then how did the present arrive? As I mentioned before, reality is filled with processes. It is filled with events. How did an actually infinite number of processes and events occur, followed by the present? At the very least, this appears to be implausible. Therefore, it would make more sense to assume that reality is not past-eternal. But that brings us back to the idea that reality came out of non-being, uncaused.

So... help me out here because atheism as a worldview appears to be retarded.
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May 13 2022 02:29am
atheism or antitheism?
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May 13 2022 08:57am
God made himself and apparently can only have one kid? Is he on probation or something? Does he need Extendz?

Better bet is crosses were replicating the space ships that bumped apes up to, semi-humans. Existence shouldn’t exist. Probably a simulation. Funny how god and angels always “come down” from the sky. But I’m the weird one. Sumarian text is pretty clear. Predates uh, everyone.

You would like, hold on lemme find it. Touches on a lot of your thoughts. Brb.



It’s 2.5 hours and goes through basically the whole bible in chunks with science backing it. Still not perfect but he’s fun to watch. He does hands things.

Also for time, no.
Time is a measurement and is current filling gaps in physics. Were anyone around before the universe they would still have time. Without time the Big Bang couldn’t happen because energy would be in pure stasis and couldn’t move to expand.

This post was edited by justhackitup on May 13 2022 09:03am
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May 13 2022 09:13am
Atheism is a lack of belief in a god or gods.
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May 13 2022 09:21am
God is a pussy that is afraid of what he made. Why the fuck cant he come down here and smack the shit out of somebody?
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May 13 2022 10:38am
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Better bet is crosses were replicating the space ships that bumped apes up to, semi-humans. Existence shouldn’t exist. Probably a simulation. Funny how god and angels always “come down” from the sky. But I’m the weird one. Sumarian text is pretty clear. Predates uh, everyone.

You would like, hold on lemme find it. Touches on a lot of your thoughts. Brb.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtBz1roiQR8

It’s 2.5 hours and goes through basically the whole bible in chunks with science backing it. Still not perfect but he’s fun to watch. He does hands things.

Also for time, no.
Time is a measurement and is current filling gaps in physics. Were anyone around before the universe they would still have time. Without time the Big Bang couldn’t happen because energy would be in pure stasis and couldn’t move to expand.


Given what you wrote and the video you've provided... atheism still seems kinda retarded. That video didn't address anything I wrote.

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God made himself and apparently can only have one kid?


God is one being and three persons. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. God is past-eternal.

This post was edited by Ephesians61213 on May 13 2022 10:43am
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May 13 2022 10:49am
Tl;dr
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May 13 2022 10:55am
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Let us say that we are part of an apparently designed reality that arbitrarily exists

Let us say we are not
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May 13 2022 11:01am
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Let us say we are not


Oh, so we are part of a reality that is actually designed. Even better.
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May 13 2022 11:03am
We have no reason to assume that intelligible universes require a designer.
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