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May 3 2022 08:42pm
I have been thinking on this a lot, and whenever arguments start about this people point to things like stalin's death count of 15 million.
So i started to go over some numbers due to capitalism and lack of regulation and realized tetraethyl lead killed more people than stalin and hitler combined, the tobacco industry spent decades covering up the effects of their products.. asbestos companies like james hardie did the same.
So what is the ACTUAL death toll for capitalism?
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May 3 2022 08:45pm
yes

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May 3 2022 09:06pm
Well, the tiny hat people have their hand in both.

Lose/lose.
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May 3 2022 09:55pm
Quote (Plaguefear @ May 3 2022 10:42pm)
I have been thinking on this a lot, and whenever arguments start about this people point to things like stalin's death count of 15 million.
So i started to go over some numbers due to capitalism and lack of regulation and realized tetraethyl lead killed more people than stalin and hitler combined, the tobacco industry spent decades covering up the effects of their products.. asbestos companies like james hardie did the same.
So what is the ACTUAL death toll for capitalism?


Do communists not smoke?

Assigning everything bad under the sun to "Capitalism" while refusing to count anything more than recorded mass murders as "Communism" is obviously going to give you a terribly skewed view of things.

The fact that a massive, guarded, concrete wall was necessary in order to keep East Germans from fleeing their friends, jobs, families, and country is about the only comparison you need to make.
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May 3 2022 10:03pm
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Do communists not smoke?

Assigning everything bad under the sun to "Capitalism" while refusing to count anything more than recorded mass murders as "Communism" is obviously going to give you a terribly skewed view of things.

The fact that a massive, guarded, concrete wall was necessary in order to keep East Germans from fleeing their friends, jobs, families, and country is about the only comparison you need to make.


Corporations are a capitalist enterprise, the smoking industry had the power to lobby and lie and obfuscate due to capitalism.
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May 3 2022 10:07pm
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Corporations are a capitalist enterprise, the smoking industry had the power to lobby and lie and obfuscate due to capitalism.


Which is why Chinese smoking rates are still so high, and have been for decades. Fucking capitalism.
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May 3 2022 10:18pm
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Which is why Chinese smoking rates are still so high, and have been for decades. Fucking capitalism.


Correct, because china is a capitalist country.
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May 3 2022 10:19pm
Between the choice of corporatism and communism, I'll take neither thanks. Both serve an evil elite who would throw their grandma into a wood chipper for a nickel.
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May 3 2022 10:21pm
donate all your gains from capitalism to the more needy since it’s so bad.

after all for marxism and its derivative communism, it is “each according to his needs” and you dont need all that excess
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Quote (Plaguefear @ May 4 2022 12:18am)
Correct, because china is a capitalist country.


Capitalist reforms began in 1978 with the rise of Deng Xiaoping. Smoking rates have since declined. Smoking rates in the USSR were sky high. There's just no good reason to believe that smoking is a capitalist construction, and quite a few as to why not.
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