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Sep 4 2021 08:57pm
The Texas Law and the terminology used in the wording is literally incorrect

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/09/02/1033727679/fetal-heartbeat-isnt-a-medical-term-but-its-still-used-in-laws-on-abortion

Ultrasound machines produce the beating sound we hear from the embryo artificially.
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"When I use a stethoscope to listen to an [adult] patient's heart, the sound that I'm hearing is caused by the opening and closing of the cardiac valves," says Dr. Nisha Verma, an OB-GYN who specializes in abortion care and works at the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists.

The sound generated by an ultrasound in very early pregnancy is quite different, she says.

"At six weeks of gestation, those valves don't exist," she explains. "The flickering that we're seeing on the ultrasound that early in the development of the pregnancy is actually electrical activity, and the sound that you 'hear' is actually manufactured by the ultrasound machine."

"the term 'fetal heartbeat' is pretty misleading," says Dr. Jennifer Kerns, an OB-GYN and associate professor at the University of California, San Francisco[/URL]


'fetal heartbeat' is not a technical term in any way.
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Kerns adds that health care providers might use the term "fetal heartbeat" in conversations with patients during this early stage of pregnancy, but it's not actually a clinical term.

"This is a term that is not widely used in medicine," Kern says. "I think this is an example of where we are sometimes trying to translate medical lingo in a way that patients can understand, and this is a really unfortunate side effect of this type of translation."

Verma likens it to the term "stomach bug" — she might use that term with a patient who has gastroenteritis, she says, "but I would never use that term to talk to my colleagues or in my clinical documentation, because it's not a precise term, it's not a scientific term."


Its still an Embryo at 6 weeks:

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In fact, "fetus" isn't technically accurate at six weeks of gestation either, says Kerns, since "embryo" is the scientific term for that stage of development. Obstetricians don't usually start using the term "fetus" until at least eight weeks into the pregnancy.

But "fetus" may have an appeal that the word "embryo" does not, Kern says: "The term 'fetus' certainly evokes images of a well-formed baby, so it's advantageous to use that term instead of 'embryo' — which may not be as easy for the public to feel strongly about, since embryos don't look like a baby," she explains. "So those terms are very purposefully used [in these laws] — and are also misleading.
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Heartbeat can't he 'heard' until 10 weeks:

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Later in a pregnancy is when a clinician might use the term "fetal heartbeat," after the sound of the heart valves can be heard, she says. That sound "usually can't be heard with our Doppler machines until about 10 weeks."


Doctors and Nurses don't even take this super early development of the internal organs as a significant sign or factor for life i.e its arbitrary as fuck.

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"There is nothing specific and meaningful and relevant about the detection of cardiac activity at this gestation that implies anything that's relevant for women's health or for pregnancies," says Kerns. "It is one indicator — among many indicators — that a pregnancy may or may not be progressing with some expected milestones."


Fuck dude like at least talk to a fuckin doctor before you make a law lmfao

This post was edited by Crunkt on Sep 4 2021 08:58pm
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Sep 4 2021 09:33pm
The technicalities are irrelevant to those with pro-life positions. Preventing abortion is all that matters.
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Sep 4 2021 09:38pm
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The technicalities are irrelevant to those with pro-life positions. Preventing abortion is all that matters.


Unless they need the abortion for their mistress
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Sep 4 2021 09:45pm
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Unless they need the abortion for their mistress


True. Although, I think a good amount of pro-life/GOP members find their 'mistress' on Grindr.

This post was edited by Handcuffs on Sep 4 2021 09:45pm
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Sep 4 2021 10:33pm
Bottomless Ego and self preservation drive society. Science and meritocracy are brushed aside when they don't support an agenda
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Sep 4 2021 10:53pm
Might as well make this illegal too while were at it

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Sep 5 2021 03:21am
problem with abortion is it is used as a contraceptive method.

the vast majority of abortions are used for this.

the rape/incest/fetus has problems/mom has problems are the exceptions.
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Sep 5 2021 04:28am
Dr. Nisha Verma, an OB-GYN who specializes in abortion care and works at the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists.

So this Dr. specializes in murder, very nice…


It amazes me the logic and morality that falls apart for pro-choicers aka pro-baby killers


The fact abortion is still a “hot topic debate” just goes to show the lack of religion in society and the increase in demonic egotistical behaviors

This post was edited by Duckling on Sep 5 2021 04:29am
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Sep 5 2021 05:11am
6 weeks so the real vulnerable ones dont have the time to realize. This was the last stand of these American Talibans anyway.
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Sep 5 2021 08:47am
Quote (SanduLungu @ 5 Sep 2021 11:21)
problem with abortion is it is used as a contraceptive method.

the vast majority of abortions are used for this.


Got any source for these claims?
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