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Jul 21 2021 11:06pm
A victory for free speech in california of all places. Judges have agreed you cannot be compelled by law to use the "correct" pronoun for people who identify as something they are not. I'm surprised they even passed a law to begin with requiring people to play along with the delusions of mentally ill patients. What do our resident pardians make of this ruling?

https://www.washingtonblade.com/2021/07/20/calif-appellate-court-rules-trans-pronouns-law-violates-freedom-of-speech/
SACRAMENTO – The State of California Third District Court of Appeals ruled on Friday that a state statute requiring nursing home staff to use the correct pronouns for trans and nonbinary patients is a freedom of speech violation.

The Court, in a unanimous 3-0 decision, struck down this key provision of the LGBTQ Long-Term Care Facility Residents’ Bill of Rights, created by SB 219 in 2017, authored by Senator Scott Wiener (D-San Francisco) and sponsored by Equality California. The Court upheld the provision in the law that requires nursing homes to place transgender patients in rooms that match their gender identity.

“The Court’s decision is disconnected from the reality facing transgender people. Deliberately misgendering a transgender person isn’t just a matter of opinion, and it’s not simply ‘disrespectful, discourteous, or insulting.’ Rather, it’s straight up harassment. And, it erases an individual’s fundamental humanity, particularly one as vulnerable as a trans senior in a nursing home. This misguided decision cannot be allowed to stand,” Senator Wiener said in a statement.
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“The Court’s decision is a beyond disappointing, especially for our state’s transgender and nonbinary seniors. Let’s be clear: refusing to use someone’s correct name and pronouns isn’t an issue of free speech — it’s a hateful act that denies someone their dignity and truth,” said Equality California’s Executive Director Rick Chavez Zbur.
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Jul 21 2021 11:11pm
“The Court’s decision is disconnected from the reality facing transgender people. Deliberately misgendering a transgender person isn’t just a matter of opinion, and it’s not simply ‘disrespectful, discourteous, or insulting.’ Rather, it’s straight up harassment. And, it erases an individual’s fundamental humanity, particularly one as vulnerable as a trans senior in a nursing home. This misguided decision cannot be allowed to stand,” Senator Wiener said in a statement.

I disagree with this. It's definitely disrespectful, discourteous, and insulting. It's only harassment if it's done in such a way that it's repeated and knowingly causes harm.

IMO blanket bans on using the wrong pronouns that don't explicitly allow for mistakes, learning, etc. are not going to be constitutional and should be avoided even without considering the constitutionaltiy.
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Jul 21 2021 11:26pm
Quote (duffman316 @ Jul 22 2021 01:06am)
A victory for free speech in california of all places. Judges have agreed you cannot be compelled by law to use the "correct" pronoun for people who identify as something they are not. I'm surprised they even passed a law to begin with requiring people to play along with the delusions of mentally ill patients. What do our resident pardians make of this ruling?

https://www.washingtonblade.com/2021/07/20/calif-appellate-court-rules-trans-pronouns-law-violates-freedom-of-speech/
SACRAMENTO – The State of California Third District Court of Appeals ruled on Friday that a state statute requiring nursing home staff to use the correct pronouns for trans and nonbinary patients is a freedom of speech violation.

The Court, in a unanimous 3-0 decision, struck down this key provision of the LGBTQ Long-Term Care Facility Residents’ Bill of Rights, created by SB 219 in 2017, authored by Senator Scott Wiener (D-San Francisco) and sponsored by Equality California. The Court upheld the provision in the law that requires nursing homes to place transgender patients in rooms that match their gender identity.

“The Court’s decision is disconnected from the reality facing transgender people. Deliberately misgendering a transgender person isn’t just a matter of opinion, and it’s not simply ‘disrespectful, discourteous, or insulting.’ Rather, it’s straight up harassment. And, it erases an individual’s fundamental humanity, particularly one as vulnerable as a trans senior in a nursing home. This misguided decision cannot be allowed to stand,” Senator Wiener said in a statement.
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“The Court’s decision is a beyond disappointing, especially for our state’s transgender and nonbinary seniors. Let’s be clear: refusing to use someone’s correct name and pronouns isn’t an issue of free speech — it’s a hateful act that denies someone their dignity and truth,” said Equality California’s Executive Director Rick Chavez Zbur.






Nice.

The way it stands now, it's like being "compelled by law" to use the appellation Mr. or Mrs.
I have no issue with social unwritten rules, expecting things like this, but when the LAW gets involved... that's just bad juju.
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Jul 21 2021 11:40pm
What a dumb fucking law. It's not as bad as Florida's social media law but this is really really stupid.
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Jul 22 2021 01:49am
good.
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Jul 22 2021 02:48am
lmao @ "people" using pronouns :)))
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Jul 22 2021 04:24am


putting on a wig makes you a woman in 2021. the comments were hilarious "you go girl".
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Jul 22 2021 05:13am
we live in a society
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Jul 22 2021 06:05am
why there's transexual stuff in all your topics ?
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Jul 22 2021 06:10am
Compelled speech is a first amendment issue.

No way!!
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