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Mar 22 2021 11:05am
The NYT lost an early attempt to dismiss a defamation suit against Project Veritas. This relates to Project Veritas's coverage of Omar and ballot harvesting. The judge ruled that Project Veritas had shown sufficient evidence that the NYT may have acted with "reckless disregard" and "actual malice".

The NYT's argument was that its news reporting was, in their words, “mere opinion incapable of being judged true or false". As Project Veritas pointed out, this contradicts NYT official policy, which expressly prohibits mixing subjective opinion in news articles. In essence, the NYT argued in court that their news reporting is not actually news (i.e. factual), and therefore cannot be treated as such.

In allowing the case to go ahead, the judge noted that...

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The Articles that are the subject of this action called the Video ‘deceptive,’ but the dictionary definitions of ‘disinformation’ and ‘deceptive’ provided by defendants’ counsel certainly apply to Astor’s and Hsu’s [NYT authors] failure to note that they injected their opinions in news articles, as they now claim


It is unlikely that Project Veritas will ultimately prevail in the case, as the bar going forward is very high. That being said, the damage has largely been done from a Times point of view. Project Veritas does a decent job at laying out evidence that the Times piece was intentionally sloppy, motivated by bias, and that the authors actively decided against seeking out information which might have contradicted a preconceived narrative. The New York Times attempted to argue that Project Veritas was "libel proof" (i.e. their reputation is so bad that it is impossible to drive it any lower), which the judge also rejected.

One might hope that the NYT learns from this, suspends and/or censures the two authors, and then makes an active attempt to reestablish editorial control and credibility in their newsroom, but I think we all know that's unlikely to be the case.

Quick read.

https://thefederalist.com/2021/03/22/project-veritas-wins-early-round-in-defamation-lawsuit-against-new-york-times/

The actual judgement.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/20518694-order_denying_motion_to_dismiss
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Mar 22 2021 11:09am
im not sure any major network would be able to demonstrate they are real news.
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Mar 22 2021 11:11am
Quote (thesnipa @ Mar 22 2021 01:09pm)
im not sure any major network would be able to demonstrate they are real news.


what is real news
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Mar 22 2021 11:21am
Quote (Budgeting @ Mar 22 2021 10:11am)
what is real news


lol best question of the day. you should open a new thread with that topic.
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Mar 22 2021 11:30am
Quote (Budgeting @ Mar 22 2021 12:11pm)
what is real news


next day reporting of just relevant facts. these do exist, but in modern times they're fringe networks. Reuters is the classic example. and it should be said in modern times even these have the bias of what they choose and choose not to report.

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Mar 22 2021 11:40am
Just cancel NYT. Problem solved.
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Mar 22 2021 12:09pm
didnt fox news once use a similar defense in a lawsuit, basically alleging that the content of its shows hosted by guys like Hannity or Tucker is not actually political commentary, but fiction for entertainment purposes?

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Mar 22 2021 12:10pm
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Mar 22 2021 12:13pm
Quote (Budgeting @ Mar 22 2021 10:11am)
what is real news


this is actually a solid topic headline, you should open a thread with it and see what kind of feed back it gets. i might do it if you dont
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Quote (TiStuff @ Mar 22 2021 12:21pm)
lol best question of the day. you should open a new thread with that topic.


Quote (TiStuff @ Mar 22 2021 01:13pm)
this is actually a solid topic headline, you should open a thread with it and see what kind of feed back it gets. i might do it if you dont


who's drunk now?
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Mar 22 2021 12:31pm
Quote (TiStuff @ Mar 22 2021 02:13pm)
this is actually a solid topic headline, you should open a thread with it and see what kind of feed back it gets. i might do it if you dont


You are itching to make a spam thread like a crack addict. How bad is the anguish?

This post was edited by kenw on Mar 22 2021 12:31pm
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