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May 12 2020 05:57am
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/496903-senate-revives-surveillance-brawl
https://www.thedailybeast.com/mitch-mcconnell-moves-to-expand-bill-barrs-surveillance-powers

so moscow mitch and his crew are looking to expand surveillance powers of the PATRIOT act even further, continuing to encroach on america's precious freedoms.

i'd argue that if you're a true freedom loving citizen, willing to risk your own life defying the evil government over measures to contain a global pandemic, this egregious and continuing violation of your rights warrants a reaction that is at least ten times as strong.
so surely we will see millions of vanilla ISIS' finest flock to the capitol, triumphantly brandishing their walmart rifles in order to intimidate senators into restoring FREEDOMâ„¢. after all, that's what guns are for: to reign in tyrannical government that keeps violating your rights - not to kill black dudes running through your neighbourhood, right?

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May 12 2020 06:37am
The Patriot Act reauthorization vote is facing three amendments to make it more restrictive and transparent, the complete opposite of the ridiculous daily beast propaganda post you linked.
1. Rand Paul's amendment says that FISA warrants can't be used on American citizens
2. The Lee-Leahy amendment says that any time surveillance is conducted on a domestic religious or political institute or candidate, an attorney gets to challenge it
3. The Daines-Wyden amendment prevents law enforcement from obtaining internet browsing and search data history without a warrant.

McConnell proposed an amendment to renew the Patriot Act without these additional safeguards, but with a watered down version of each one that largely removes the proposed safeguard. The watered down version of the Daine-Wyden amendment would continue to allow warrantless URL and search history term collection without content, a pretty meaningless distinction. The watered down attorney one only allows an amicus for federal officials being the target but not religions.
None of these proposals expands the Patriot Act. They're all restrictions on it of varying degrees.

Do you ever actually read your links and realize what kind of propaganda is being shoveled onto your plate? The Daily Beast article is trying to claim that the McConnell amendment would 'give Barr the ability to see your search histories!', except that under the current Patriot Act Barr already has the power to do that and see page content. They conveniently forgot to mention that Section 215 is already being interpreted that way, hell, they basically say they can spy on anything and everything right now with no restrictions at all. How does it "expand" a law to take a vague term that's already being interpreted to its fullest extent and formalize it with an interpretation that gives it most of those powers but curtails a select few?
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May 12 2020 06:59am
Quote (Goomshill @ May 12 2020 08:37am)
The Patriot Act reauthorization vote is facing three amendments to make it more restrictive and transparent, the complete opposite of the ridiculous daily beast propaganda post you linked.
1. Rand Paul's amendment says that FISA warrants can't be used on American citizens
2. The Lee-Leahy amendment says that any time surveillance is conducted on a domestic religious or political institute or candidate, an attorney gets to challenge it
3. The Daines-Wyden amendment prevents law enforcement from obtaining internet browsing and search data history without a warrant.

McConnell proposed an amendment to renew the Patriot Act without these additional safeguards, but with a watered down version of each one that largely removes the proposed safeguard. The watered down version of the Daine-Wyden amendment would continue to allow warrantless URL and search history term collection without content, a pretty meaningless distinction. The watered down attorney one only allows an amicus for federal officials being the target but not religions.
None of these proposals expands the Patriot Act. They're all restrictions on it of varying degrees.

Do you ever actually read your links and realize what kind of propaganda is being shoveled onto your plate? The Daily Beast article is trying to claim that the McConnell amendment would 'give Barr the ability to see your search histories!', except that under the current Patriot Act Barr already has the power to do that and see page content. They conveniently forgot to mention that Section 215 is already being interpreted that way, hell, they basically say they can spy on anything and everything right now with no restrictions at all. How does it "expand" a law to take a vague term that's already being interpreted to its fullest extent and formalize it with an interpretation that gives it most of those powers but curtails a select few?


So some republicans tried to restrict the Patriot act and mcconnell blocked it despite having a majority in being able to do what he wants.

Lawful evil turtle man.

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May 12 2020 07:00am
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I'll trust his opinion on this.

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May 12 2020 07:01am
Quote (Goomshill @ May 12 2020 07:37am)
The Patriot Act reauthorization vote is facing three amendments to make it more restrictive and transparent, the complete opposite of the ridiculous daily beast propaganda post you linked.
1. Rand Paul's amendment says that FISA warrants can't be used on American citizens
2. The Lee-Leahy amendment says that any time surveillance is conducted on a domestic religious or political institute or candidate, an attorney gets to challenge it
3. The Daines-Wyden amendment prevents law enforcement from obtaining internet browsing and search data history without a warrant.

McConnell proposed an amendment to renew the Patriot Act without these additional safeguards, but with a watered down version of each one that largely removes the proposed safeguard. The watered down version of the Daine-Wyden amendment would continue to allow warrantless URL and search history term collection without content, a pretty meaningless distinction. The watered down attorney one only allows an amicus for federal officials being the target but not religions.
None of these proposals expands the Patriot Act. They're all restrictions on it of varying degrees.

Do you ever actually read your links and realize what kind of propaganda is being shoveled onto your plate? The Daily Beast article is trying to claim that the McConnell amendment would 'give Barr the ability to see your search histories!', except that under the current Patriot Act Barr already has the power to do that and see page content. They conveniently forgot to mention that Section 215 is already being interpreted that way, hell, they basically say they can spy on anything and everything right now with no restrictions at all. How does it "expand" a law to take a vague term that's already being interpreted to its fullest extent and formalize it with an interpretation that gives it most of those powers but curtails a select few?

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May 12 2020 07:03am
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Did you read the part where the four republicans wrote amendments to restrict the Patriot act and mcconnell blocked and weakened those?

Just wondering if we read the same 3 paragraphs or if you're impressed by word count.

Also you don't know the ulterior motives. Its probably so anti-tax groups can't be monitored by the government but I'm sure "Soros" groups won't be included or something. Watch.

The government never votes for itself to have less power.

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May 12 2020 07:04am
My form of protest will be to download everything illegally behind a VPN. take that mitch.
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May 12 2020 07:07am
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So some republicans tried to restrict the Patriot act and mcconnell blocked it despite having a majority in being able to do what he wants.

Lawful evil turtle man.


pretty much, except the part where its still ongoing and there's a chance for the amendments, but most likely scenario is McConnell just plows through with status quo renewal and the fig leaf amendments
kinda of a distinction between saying "turtle shot them" and "turtle is about to shoot them"
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May 12 2020 07:27am
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awesome. i expect to see a whole bunch of gun touting principled libertarians in d.c., alongside all the freedom loving science deniers, who will certainly realise that the patriot act is a significantly worse restriction of their rights and freedoms than wearing a face mask until the deadly virus, that we don't yet have a vaccine for, is under control, correct?

amash makes another valid point, commenting on how unpopular the patriot act really is, further demonstrating that public opinion has virtually no impact on american politics. so where are all those red blooded real americans, up in arms about this grave injustice? we all know what has to be done with tyrannical government, so where are the "LIBERATE AMERICA" tweets? why does faux news not sick y'all quaeda on bitch mcconnell and his stooges?

Quote (Goomshill @ 12 May 2020 14:37)
The Patriot Act reauthorization vote is facing three amendments to make it more restrictive and transparent, the complete opposite of the ridiculous daily beast propaganda post you linked.
1. Rand Paul's amendment says that FISA warrants can't be used on American citizens
2. The Lee-Leahy amendment says that any time surveillance is conducted on a domestic religious or political institute or candidate, an attorney gets to challenge it
3. The Daines-Wyden amendment prevents law enforcement from obtaining internet browsing and search data history without a warrant.

McConnell proposed an amendment to renew the Patriot Act without these additional safeguards, but with a watered down version of each one that largely removes the proposed safeguard. The watered down version of the Daine-Wyden amendment would continue to allow warrantless URL and search history term collection without content, a pretty meaningless distinction. The watered down attorney one only allows an amicus for federal officials being the target but not religions.
None of these proposals expands the Patriot Act. They're all restrictions on it of varying degrees.

Do you ever actually read your links and realize what kind of propaganda is being shoveled onto your plate? The Daily Beast article is trying to claim that the McConnell amendment would 'give Barr the ability to see your search histories!', except that under the current Patriot Act Barr already has the power to do that and see page content. They conveniently forgot to mention that Section 215 is already being interpreted that way, hell, they basically say they can spy on anything and everything right now with no restrictions at all. How does it "expand" a law to take a vague term that's already being interpreted to its fullest extent and formalize it with an interpretation that gives it most of those powers but curtails a select few?


lol, you can't even get your narrative straight within your own essay, buddy. looks like you whooshed the message, and now just try to muddy the waters, hoping no one notices? you might wanna read those articles (or any other source really) again if your conclusion is that this does not constitute a significant restriction of americans' precious freedoms.
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