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May 6 2020 11:01am
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Quote (Thor123422 @ May 6 2020 11:58am)
I mean, federal minimums are an absolute modern necessity. The refusal of certain states to teach modern biology proves as much. However, a minimum needs to be a minimum.

As far as increasing funding for things like teacher pay, that's something we should have been doing for a long time. In college the only students I saw going to be high school teachers were the ones who couldn't hack it anywhere else, and this manifested in the education M.S. students actually getting the worst student evaluations and worst student average scores in our graduate teaching courses, ironically.

I don't think it would be illegally forced overtime to put teachers on salary and make them work 6 days a week. I mean, that's the whole point of having salaried employees isn't it? To avoid overtime and tell people up front what hours they are going to be working?


yes, it would be. if you have kids 5 days a week for 7 hours with a 1 hour prep period that's 40 hours. 6 days a week is 48 hours. having them less time per day but more days doesnt seem like it would do anything but burn kids out.
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yes, it would be. if you have kids 5 days a week for 7 hours with a 1 hour prep period that's 40 hours. 6 days a week is 48 hours. having them less time per day but more days doesnt seem like it would do anything but burn kids out.


Maybe I just don't know laws around salaried employees then?
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May 6 2020 11:04am
Quote (Thor123422 @ May 6 2020 12:02pm)
Maybe I just don't know laws around salaried employees then?


state employed salaried employees behind a massively powerful union. i could be wrong its illegal, in labor laws, but im right its not possible, given union behavior. if u think teachers are EVER going to give up weekends and summers idk. it will never, ever, happen.
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May 6 2020 11:06am
and anyone who bitches about new math should watch kids these days handle story problems with relative ease compared to traditional methods. is it better for learning calculus? no. but it's better for logical thinking and problem solving.
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May 6 2020 11:08am
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state employed salaried employees behind a massively powerful union. i could be wrong its illegal, in labor laws, but im right its not possible, given union behavior. if u think teachers are EVER going to give up weekends and summers idk. it will never, ever, happen.


In the end it just all comes down to political will. We will continue to suffer poor high school results until we have the political will to change our education system. We aren't gonna compete very well with countries taking half the summers and paying their teachers more.
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May 6 2020 11:12am
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In the end it just all comes down to political will. We will continue to suffer poor high school results until we have the political will to change our education system. We aren't gonna compete very well with countries taking half the summers and paying their teachers more.


America has a shortage of people in key sectors of college educated people. not a shortage generally. we need to be better at pushing the kids we have towards those sectors, paper science, special ed teachers, etc. if we better educate 100 million kids in the next generation we'll just further inflate the student loan debt bubble and create a massive number of underemployed business and art majors.

i honestly dont think we need to drastically increase test scores. it would be better to improve, but when we get into the realm of changing to 6 days of school with no summer, at a massive cost, we have to ask is it to improve the american economy and way of life? or to crawl up 5 spots on worldwide test scores because we're embarrassed Japan beats us badly.
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May 6 2020 11:14am
Anyone that thinks it's possible to have a federally mandated amount of knowledge that a kid has to process, is an idiot.
Some kids can handle more than others, some can't. You can't put a speed limit/quantity limit on teaching.

I think the biggest problem with education in the US is that to this day, it's still considered (by some children), uncool to learn, uncool to be hungry for knowledge. THAT is the problem with our educational system.
Fix THAT problem and we won't need federal regulations or common core crap.

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May 6 2020 11:17am
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Anyone that thinks it's possible to have a federally mandated amount of knowledge that a kid has to process, is an idiot.
Some kids can handle more than others, some can't. You can't put a speed limit/quantity limit on teaching.

I think the biggest problem with education in the US is that to this day, it's still considered (by some children), uncool to learn, uncool to be hungry for knowledge. THAT is the problem with out educational system.
Fix THAT problem and we won't need federal regulations or common core crap.


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May 6 2020 11:18am
Quote (Ghot @ May 6 2020 12:14pm)
Anyone that thinks it's possible to have a federally mandated amount of knowledge that a kid has to process, is an idiot.
Some kids can handle more than others, some can't. You can't put a speed limit/quantity limit on teaching.


Based on your posts I can't disagree with this
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Quote (Ghot @ May 6 2020 12:14pm)
Anyone that thinks it's possible to have a federally mandated amount of knowledge that a kid has to process, is an idiot.
Some kids can handle more than others, some can't. You can't put a speed limit/quantity limit on teaching.

I think the biggest problem with education in the US is that to this day, it's still considered (by some children), uncool to learn, uncool to be hungry for knowledge. THAT is the problem with out educational system.
Fix THAT problem and we won't need federal regulations or common core crap.


if the minimum was equal to what a kid with a slightly below average IQ has, that would be fine. instead it's a midrange SAT scoring college bound kid, or likely higher. and teachers arent able to help kids based on trying to pull all kids up to an unreasonable standard.

to your second point blowing through curriculum at light speed certainly kills the fun of learning. when a history teacher has to skip over fun games, dressing up as historical figures, watching speeches, etc. all to blow through an SAT prep book it gets even worse for kids.

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