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https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/roger-stone-drama-enters-final-act-thursday-sentencing/



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Thread from a guy in the courtroom:

https://twitter.com/awprokop/status/1230534092036431872

Some noteworthy lines:

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ABJ walks through several Stone’s claims to the House Intel Committee.

“It was all false. And afterwards, he endeavored mightily to make sure” Credico didn’t mess up his story. Says that’s why Stone was indicted, not for his political activities.
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“I really did appreciate the sensitivity and the concern that went into Randy Credico’s letter” (arguing against a tough sentence) ABJ says. “It’s nice that Mr. Credico has forgiven Mr. Stone.”

But all of that “reflects more on Mr. Credico than Mr. Stone.”
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ABJ points out that Stone's obstruction wasn't directed at "an anti-Trump cabal," but rather at the House Intelligence Committee, which was at the time controlled by Republicans and chaired by Devin Nunes.
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The judge moves on to look at the history and characteristics of the defendant.

“Certain themes emerge.” Quotes letters sent by Stone’s friends saying Stone was referred to as a provocateur and dirty trickster. Points out these were letters sent *on his behalf.*
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ABJ: ”Nothing about this case was a joke. It wasn’t funny. It wasn’t a prank.”
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“The government’s initial memorandum was thorough, well-researched and supported,” in concordance with the record and DOJ policy.

“Any suggestion that the prosecutors in this case did anything untoward” is incorrect.

BUT: ABJ says, she is concerned that 7-9 years is greater than necessary. And would have thought so regardless of the sentencing memo chaos.
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Judge Jackson: “He was not prosecuted, as some have claimed, for standing up for the president. He was prosecuted for covering up for the president.”

ABJ calls Trump’s comments on the case “entirely inappropriate,” she will not be influenced by them. But she will not hold them against Stone either.

Also says she will not be influenced by pressure from the left from those who want a stiffer sentence.
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ABJ: “The truth still exists. The truth still matters. Roger Stone’s insistence that it doesn’t” poses “a threat to our most fundamental institutions, to the very foundation of our democracy.”

“The dismay and disgust at the defendant’s belligerence should transcend party.”


Roger Stone sentenced to 40 months. Our corrupt president will pardon him within the year.
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Feb 21 2020 05:49pm


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The lawyer youtube channels that I follow are virtually always reserved when talking about something they aren't sure about, ya know, that lawyer mentality. "This isn't legal advice, I am not a constitutional lawyer so I don't know the norms, etc. etc."

They're all saying basically the same thing about Trump's interference with Roger Stone's case. It's a power grab and level of corruption that would make Nixon blush.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Feb 21 2020 05:52pm
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Quote (Thor123422 @ Feb 21 2020 06:52pm)
The lawyer youtube channels that I follow are virtually always reserved when talking about something they aren't sure about, ya know, that lawyer mentality. "This isn't legal advice, I am not a constitutional lawyer so I don't know the norms, etc. etc."

They're all saying basically the same thing about Trump's interference with Roger Stone's case. It's a power grab and level of corruption that would make Nixon blush.


Trump's behavior on DOJ cases has been pretty consistent... he's been trashing the rule of law on Twitter for quite a while. What's changed is the Attorney General. Barr is a true believer in all of the deranged fantasies you hear on Hannity and talk radio... he doesn't need a direct order from Trump to do his bidding.

Anyway, prepare for a Goom essay on how Trump's blatantly corrupt behavior is actually justified because something something deep state.

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I like Ken White from All The President's Lawyers podcast. I follow a bunch of lawyer type pundits on Twitter and Ken doesn't fall into the groupthink that so many others do. Andy McCarthy has the occasional nugget of useful information if you read past the propaganda.

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Quote (IceMage @ Feb 21 2020 07:05pm)
Trump's behavior on DOJ cases has been pretty consistent... he's been trashing the rule of law on Twitter for quite a while. What's changed is the Attorney General. Barr is a true believer in all of the deranged fantasies you hear on Hannity and talk radio... he doesn't need a direct order from Trump to do his bidding.

Anyway, prepare for a Goom essay on how Trump's blatantly corrupt behavior is actually justified because something something deep state.

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I like Ken White from All The President's Lawyers podcast. I follow a bunch of lawyer type pundits on Twitter and Ken doesn't fall into the groupthink that so many others do. Andy McCarthy has the occasional nugget of useful information if you read past the propaganda.

how was Clinton/Comey/McCabe justified again? i'll just copy/pasta whatever essay you write up for those 3.
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how was Clinton/Comey/McCabe justified again? i'll just copy/pasta whatever essay you write up for those 3.


You've pointed out the asymmetry. I don't pretend everything they've done was justified.
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how was Clinton/Comey/McCabe justified again? i'll just copy/pasta whatever essay you write up for those 3.


Thanks for another perfect example of whataboutism from the cult.
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You've pointed out the asymmetry. I don't pretend everything they've done was justified.

huh, that's news to me. nice sig btw
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Thanks for another perfect example of whataboutism from the cult.

have you bothered calling any of those 3 out?

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Quote (tagged4nothing @ Feb 21 2020 07:51pm)
huh, that's news to me. nice sig btw

have you bothered calling any of those 3 out?


If I was on a forum filled with people arguing that Hillary's private email server was completely cool, I'd argue against that. But instead I'm arguing against people who pretend she wasn't criminally charged because of some conspiracy, instead of the actual facts and relevant law.

That's the asymmetry. The left is more tethered to the truth on issues like this so staking out a reasonable position naturally puts you closer to them, because the right is off in conspiracy and alternative facts land.

Thor's right though... I should stop entertaining this whataboutism.
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