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Jan 28 2020 03:26pm
Today Trump unveiled the proposal Jared Kushner cooked up for an Israeli/Palestinian peace plan map, this being the political side of the proposal with the economic side released last year.
The conference was attended by both Netanyahu and the Israeli opposition leader Benny Gantz, but not by any Palestinians who preemptively rejected the proposal before it was announced let alone released, and are rioting in Gaza.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Peace-to-Prosperity-0120.pdf?mod=article_inline


While leaving wiggle room for further border negotiations, this plan notably comes with a detailed map proposal, something other plans usually never produced.

On the Palestinian side, the plan charts a two-state solution with an independent Palestine with its capitol as East Jerusalem recognized by the US as Al Quds, a West Bank and Gaza connected by a tunnel, access to ports at Ashdod and Haifa and potential construction of a Gaza airport/port (at which point Ashdod/Haifa access get dropped), multiple border crossings into Jordan and access to Jerusalem holy sites like the Al Aqsa Mosque. Arab residents of Jerusalem would be given the voluntary option of Israeli or Palestinian citizenship, or Israel permanent status without citizenship. It calls for Palestinian refugees to be absorbed into the state of Palestine, or integrated into consenting host countries (Jordan/Egypt), or resettlement of 5,000 refugees per year per country into other Arab countries participating in a Palestinian resettlement program. This joins the economic benefits of a $50 billion fund set up to build Palestinian infrastructure, transportation and connecting highways and tunnels, water treatment plants, hospitals, manufacturing sector and economy and tourism. This would be mostly Arab-funded, and prioritizing job growth to address the rampant unemployment. Under the plan, during the negotiation period Israel will be expected not to build any new settlements, or expand any enclaves past their current footprint, or demolish any Palestinian structures outside of illegal construction or punitive demolitions after terrorist attacks.

On the Israeli side, the plan cements Israeli territorial annexation and does not call for the removal of major settlements, while leaving minor settlements up to negotiations. The map is drawn recognizing the lands Israel holds in the West Bank and continues to recognize the new city of Jerusalem as Israeli controlled and their capitol. It calls for the disarmament of Hamas and guarantees of Israeli security, and the end of Palestinian jihadi propaganda programs in education, and the end of boycotts like BDS. During the negotiation period, it calls for the new Palestinian government not to join any international organizations without the consent of Israel, not press cases in the ICC / ICJ / Interpol and to terminate the bounty payments to terrorists.

On the internal Palestinian side, the plan does not demand a unity government of Palestine to bridge the divide but instead default recognizes the Palestinian Authority or any new coalition government acceptable to Israel that disarms Hamas and Palestinian Jihad. It does not call for unity elections from what I can tell, though it does recommend the mediation of Jordan in forming a Palestinian government. It does however leave a door open to Hamas having a legitimized role in a Palestinian unity government if Hamas adopts the Quartet Principles, recognizes Israel's right to exist and commits to disarmament and the peace process. The plan puts up a roadblock here and says that the United States and Israeli will not commit to this process if Hamas or Islamic Jihad or their surrogates hold significant control of the Palestinian government without adopting the peace process.

Overall, its a generous offer to the Palestinians and one of the most charitable two-state solutions they could hope for under current geopolitics and absolutely an improvement to their situation. Its also something they will completely reject out of hand and not even remotely consider, but at least it will now be dangling over Hamas when months pass and Palestinians cool down and return to protesting about their 70%+ unemployment rate and lack of infrastructure.

And from what I can tell, this plan has dropped even the vaguest hint of a threat implicit in original drafting of the plan as an 'ultimatum', that would signal unilateralism if 'either party' rejected it (which only Palestinians would do, of course). So its lacking that fire and fury element.
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Jan 28 2020 03:41pm
Thanks for posting, quality read.

I agree I think it’s a pretty good and fair deal for both sides. Neither side gets all it wants but it’s a compromise. I think between maintaining East Jerusalem and the billions of dollars in investment as well as access to borders is a pretty solid offering.

I think getting Hamas to disarm and agree to respect peace and Israeli existence is going to be the toughest point imo. It would take a pretty strong voice from the general Palestinian populace to make it happen.

Hopefully pragmatists on the Palestinian side overrule the grudge holders because let’s be honest, this is probably the best they’ll get which is a hell of a lot better what Palestine had for the last half a century.
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Jan 28 2020 03:47pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Jan 28 2020 03:41pm)
Thanks for posting, quality read.

I agree I think it’s a pretty good and fair deal for both sides. Neither side gets all it wants but it’s a compromise. I think between maintaining East Jerusalem and the billions of dollars in investment as well as access to borders is a pretty solid offering.

I think getting Hamas to disarm and agree to respect peace and Israeli existence is going to be the toughest point imo. It would take a pretty strong voice from the general Palestinian populace to make it happen.

Hopefully pragmatists on the Palestinian side overrule the grudge holders because let’s be honest, this is probably the best they’ll get which is a hell of a lot better what Palestine had for the last half a century.


I think based on current Palestinian politics you could offer them 99% of Israeli territory, all the riches it holds and all the jewish women as sex slaves and they would demand the other 1% of the land or bust.
The only proximate purpose of the peace plan is for Israeli politics and laying out a guide for Netanyahu or even Gantz's coalition.
But what we can hope down the line is that dissatisfaction and popular unrest by the common Palestinian people may some day years down the line manifest into support for this plan against the objections of Hamas, even to the point of an uprising when they get slaughtered in the streets for protesting the rampant unemployment and lack of social services. If Israel continues to hold up the option of a generous two-state solution, it might be enough that poverty makes pragmatists out of protesters.
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Jan 28 2020 03:57pm
Trump's Middle East Peace Plan is "Stillborn"


The Oslo process is dead

The deal of the century actually corresponds to the Likud program: annexation of the Jordan Valley, which represents a third of the West Bank, and maintenance of the existing colonies. Donald Trump cannot do more, he has already recognized the Golan Heights, annexed and moved the American Embassy to Jerusalem.

For the Palestinians, a consolation prize: a mini-state in Gaza with a few satellite cities and 50 billion investments. Obviously, they refuse.

Oslo is long dead but no one dared to say it.


(ty google translate from neutral french expert)

This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on Jan 28 2020 03:57pm
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Jan 28 2020 04:05pm
Can't see why the Palestinians would ever go for this. They want independent sovereignty on their own terms. Israel and the US don't have the authority to grant anybody statehood. Can you imagine Palestinians proposing a plan based on their own agenda? Israel would laugh at them. This plan was dead before it started. Muslims will never accept this, EVER. All this is doing is throwing grease on the fire by insulting Palestine. Any meaningful negotiations need to have all parties at the table.

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Jan 28 2020 05:32pm
You can't make decisions about a group of people without consulting that group of people. Not sure if thinking like colonist is going to solve this one.

I do applaud the administration putting forth an actual plan That's kind of ballsy.

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Jan 28 2020 05:36pm
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You can't make decisions about a group of people without consulting that group of people. Not sure if thinking like colonist is going to solve this one.

I do applaud the administration putting forth an actual plan That's kind of ballsy.


You can lead a horse to water

Palestinians refused to participate in the process and cut off all communications after the US recognized Jerusalem as the capitol of Israel, which is going to be a condition of any workable plan anyway
Colonists didn't issue invitations to tribes to participate as equal in negotiations that got rejected out of militant spite
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Jan 28 2020 06:20pm
Quote (NatureNames @ Jan 28 2020 05:05pm)
Can't see why the Palestinians would ever go for this. They want independent sovereignty on their own terms. Israel and the US don't have the authority to grant anybody statehood. Can you imagine Palestinians proposing a plan based on their own agenda? Israel would laugh at them. This plan was dead before it started. Muslims will never accept this, EVER. All this is doing is throwing grease on the fire by insulting Palestine. Any meaningful negotiations need to have all parties at the table.


They tried to exterminate Jews and lost the war miserably. The Israelis could have displaced them in 1967 and would of been right to do so and everyone would of agreed. The Jews are coming from a position of power offering them pretty fair terms, while the Palestinians think they are negotiating on equal footing, expecting way more than they deserve considering they lost several wars of aggression.

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Quote (Goomshill @ Jan 28 2020 06:36pm)
You can lead a horse to water

Palestinians refused to participate in the process and cut off all communications after the US recognized Jerusalem as the capitol of Israel, which is going to be a condition of any workable plan anyway
Colonists didn't issue invitations to tribes to participate as equal in negotiations that got rejected out of militant spite


You must be joking that they would be treated as equal. And they aren't equal as a state. You can lead a horse to water though.

A US president just stating that Palestine has a right to exist really goes a long way and I'm stunned by that admission from this president. That statement goes to the left of me, because I feel like at this point the surrounding neighboring Arab countries should absorb them and call the genocide complete....put the culture out of its misery so to speak.

Watch by 2024 Trump solves immigration, finds a good status quo with NK, solve the Palestinian problem, normalize relations with Russia, appoint three conservative judges when all said and done, and who knows now with this man, throw in is single payer healthcare legislated by the GOP to cover everyone but still treat whites better enough they feel good about still being America's special people. God damn what a time to be alive.

The world has never been better than this.

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Jan 28 2020 06:30pm
This was a perfect plan
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