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Aug 11 2019 12:55am
How does PaRD feel about the Fed requiring gun licenses or registration.
Could such a law be passed and NOT infringe on one's right to own.



/e I think we should have gun licenses, like a car license plate, which is attached to an object... but NOT like a driver's license, which is attached to a person.

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Aug 11 2019 12:59am
It would depend on how they would implement it. What sort of hoops would you have to jump through to obtain a license? If it's overly complicated and they could easily deny people a license, I would say that's getting close to infringing on one's rights.
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Quote (Zyed @ Aug 11 2019 02:59am)
It would depend on how they would implement it. What sort of hoops would you have to jump through to obtain a license? If it's overly complicated and they could easily deny people a license, I would say that's getting close to infringing on one's rights.




IMO, just like a car. It has to be a working gun. A gun that won't blow up when someone tries to fire it.
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IMO, just like a car. It has to be a working gun. A gun that won't blow up when someone tries to fire it.


What would be the benefits of a system like this? and the disadvantages of not having it?
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Aug 11 2019 01:26am
Yes, good thing. America absolutely needs this, and the rest of the world probably does too.

If it infringes the right to own, then the right to own needs to be updated. Sticking to a 250 year old constitution without any rational reason is recipe for disaster.
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What would be the benefits of a system like this? and the disadvantages of not having it?




History of license plates for cars...

Long ago, stores and restaurants etc., were complaining that people were not paying and then driving away. Back in those days there were only a few car models and a few possible colors for cars. So it was very hard to tell who the person was when they jumped in their car and drove away. SO... they invented license plates for cars.

Personally, I don't care if they license guns or not. BUT, it would be a way to positively identify who owned a gun. Maybe that gun was used in a crime. This would be a way to prove who owned the gun. Not necessarily who committed the crime, but who owned the gun. It would be a way to help police... somewhat. It amy also have the side effect of making the idiots who want to abolish the 2nd amendment... back off for a few generations.

To put it another way... it's a way to sort of agree with the anti gun folks, without really doing anything.



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Yes, good thing. America absolutely needs this, and the rest of the world probably does too.

If it infringes the right to own, then the right to own needs to be updated. Sticking to a 250 year old constitution without any rational reason is recipe for disaster.



I think sticking to a 250 year old constitution is a good thing. If we change it or parts of it... we should do so with extreme caution.

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History of license plates for cars...

Long ago, stores and restaurants etc., were complaining that people were not paying and then driving away. Back in those days there were only a few car models and a few possible colors for cars. So it was very hard to tell who the person was when they jumped in their car and drove away. SO... they invented license plates for cars.

Personally, I don't care if they license guns or not. BUT, it would be a way to positively identify who owned a gun. Maybe that gun was used in a crime. This would be a way to prove who owned the gun. Not necessarily who committed the crime, but who owned the gun. It would be a way to help police... somewhat. It amy also have the side effect of making the idiots who want to abolish the 2nd amendment... back off for a few generations.

To put it another way... it's a way to sort of agree with the anti gun folks, without really doing anything.


I don't think that's why they made license plates, but I would agree with the various utilities you outlined that came with license plates.

I'm not sure if giving the anti-gun people any wiggle room would work in your favor. A smart anti-gun person wouldn't want to try and pass laws overnight banning guns - they would want very gradual changes in the laws to eventually make it especially hard and convoluted to own and use one let alone obtain one.

I'm also not sure as to how it could help police. Could you elaborate? I mean, people could report their guns as stolen similar to the way they do with cars. But people aren't exactly forced to wave their gun license around when they walk (e/ given if the gun license laws were passed) available to any suspecting officer to double check it's integrity.

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https://www.autoevolution.com/news/how-the-license-plate-was-introduced-129345.html

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As the number of cars on public roads increased in the late 1890s, societies were faced with challenges they didn’t know existed until then. Law enforcement needed a way to track who did what with what car, in case of crashes or other damage to public property, local authorities needed to make money off the automobile to repair the rapidly deteriorating infrastructure and ultimately car owners themselves were looking for public recognition.



When I learned the history of license plates, they taught, that it was places like restaurants and gas stations wanted them for the vehicles of people that hadn't paid.




Yes people could report as stolen....but in time, that would become the responsibility of the owner to take better care of his/her gun. Yes the left would try to nibble away at any licensing for guns that was required. But they would still be fighting the NRA every teeny step of the way.


Maybe instead of me explaining 4-5 times why I think it wouldn't be a problem... you could "convincingly explain" why it would be a problem. Are car license plates a "problem"?
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Aug 11 2019 05:46am
No registration for guns, mental illness, or religion.

Just throwing out all the excuses for the cancer we have.

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No registration for guns, mental illness, or religion.

Just throwing out all the excuses for the cancer we have.


I don't understand what you mean here.
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