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Background:

Resurrection Chronological Table: http://wp.patheos.com.s3.amazonaws.com/blogs/crossexamined/files/2013/03/Resurrection_-Chronology.pdf

Matthew 28: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+28

Mark 16: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+16

Luke 24: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+24

John 20: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+20

Questions:

I have some questions for the Christians that frequent this board.

1) How many women came to the tomb? One (John)? Two (Matthew)? Three (Mark)? More (Luke)?

2) What were the last words of Jesus? Three gospels have three different accounts of his last words.

3) Was the tomb already open when they got there (Matthew indicates the tomb was open, the other three claim it was closed)?

***Please do not respond in defense of the Bible or Christianity in this thread without directly answering questions 1 through 3 first. Thank you.***

Those are my three questions concerning the resurrection story, which is arguably the Bible's most important story because one of the central themes of Christianity is Jesus' crucifixion (died for sins) and subsequent resurrection.

Potential follow up questions only for those who answer questions 1 through 3 in numbered format: Do you acknowledge these accounts in the gospel as contradictions? If not, how? Do you believe the Bible was divinely inspired by God? If you do acknowledge the gospel accounts contain contradictions, do you still believe the Bible was divinely inspired by God?
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Jul 31 2015 12:26pm
No point asking Christians questions they can't answer.
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Jul 31 2015 12:37pm
You mean, three people can have three different vantage points?
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Jul 31 2015 12:38pm
It must have taken you quite a while to type that up.
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Jul 31 2015 12:51pm
As long as we're pointing out discrepancies, How convenient was it that Allah inferred that men were worth 2 women, and that men should have multiples wives and agreed with other basic fundamentals points of Law already practiced? Whew....close one - am I right?

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Jul 31 2015 12:54pm
Quote (Santara @ 31 Jul 2015 18:37)
You mean, three people can have three different vantage points?


3 different vantage points that allow them to go into the tomb and not know if the door was open or closed or how many people were there with them?

Like I said - no point asking Christians questions they can't answer. They won't admit to not knowing something.
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Quote (card_sultan @ Jul 31 2015 06:51pm)
As long as we're pointing out discrepancies, How convenient was it that Allah inferred that men were worth 2 women, and that men should have multiples wives and agreed with other basic fundamentals points of Law already practiced? Whew....close one - am I right?


Could.

Islam gave the most rights to women when it came out. They never put a amount of men to women. Though it does say that men are superior to women..

This post was edited by Diablokgb on Jul 31 2015 12:56pm
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Quote (Diablokgb @ Jul 31 2015 01:56pm)
Could.

Islam gave the most rights to women when it came out. They never put a amount of men to women. Though it does say that men are superior to women..


4:11 "To the male the equivalent of the portion of two females, and if there be women more than two, then theirs is two-thirds of the inheritance, and if there be one (only) then the half."

4:176 "Unto the male is the equivalent of the share of two females."

And didn't the early Muslims people already practice that? So God just happens to believe what people already believe - cool.

What about the Hijab and covered dress - wasn't that already practiced too?
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Quote (card_sultan @ Jul 31 2015 07:10pm)
4:11 "To the male the equivalent of the portion of two females, and if there be women more than two, then theirs is two-thirds of the inheritance, and if there be one (only) then the half."

4:176 "Unto the male is the equivalent of the share of two females."

And didn't the early Muslims people already practice that? So God just happens to believe what people already believe - cool.

What about the Hijab and covered dress - wasn't that already practiced too?


Thats about inheritance not actual "human" worth lol.... Why muslims don't leave wills, they follow what the religion says to do with money/land/etc...

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Quote (card_sultan @ Jul 31 2015 01:51pm)
As long as we're pointing out discrepancies, How convenient was it that Allah inferred that men were worth 2 women, and that men should have multiples wives and agreed with other basic fundamentals points of Law already practiced? Whew....close one - am I right?


There were many important societal reasons for the Muslims of that time to resort to polygamy, and they were more or less noble. A lot of Mohammed's men were dying in those days, and their wives and kids just couldn't have been abandoned. This was before social service agencies :p

Quote (Santara @ Jul 31 2015 01:37pm)
You mean, three people can have three different vantage points?


Lol, it is hard to believe.

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