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Quote (brmv @ Thu, Sep 24 2009, 04:37am)

not saying that the obama administration cannot improve on the current state, but where does the foreign policy fall down most?

@1: plenty talk but nothing concrete, even the chinese have clearer plans now

@2: will sending tens of thousands more troops be any good or is it just delaying total failure?

@3: like the last admin, there is plenty talk about stopping israeli settlements violating international treatises, but where is the action?

@4: while i believe the cancellation of the gwb plan was right, some might consider this as failure

Quote (bogie160 @ Wed, Sep 23 2009, 10:43pm)

I think we'll see shortly how this plays out. Long term consequences will be the alienation of our East European allies, but it's up for debate whether Russia will capitalize or not. If not, it'll wash out, we won't gain much of anything, and our allies will be distanced, but Russia may be less cold. On the other hand, if Russia continues it's aggressive foreign policy, it will be marked as a clear failure.

Quote (bogie160 @ Thu, 24 Sep 2009, 04:43)

I think we'll see shortly how this plays out. Long term consequences will be the alienation of our East European allies, but it's up for debate whether Russia will capitalize or not. If not, it'll wash out, we won't gain much of anything, and our allies will be distanced, but Russia may be less cold. On the other hand, if Russia continues it's aggressive foreign policy, it will be marked as a clear failure.

Quote (brmv @ Thu, Sep 24 2009, 04:48am)

what you consider russia's AGGRESSIVE foreign policy is just a response to clearly aggressive foreign policy by the usa
remember the various nice-coloured revolutions sponsored by britain and the usa?

nb: the only "eastern european allies" which raise the voice a little louder are the poles - and the resaon is not security, they always complain for an extra dollar or euro

Quote (bogie160 @ Thu, 24 Sep 2009, 04:52)

You mean various revolutions that "might have been" sponsored by the United States, and were hugely supported by the respective countries involved ?

Yes, I do know of them, Russia's control over it's sphere collapsed, that isn't us being aggressive, it's the natural progression of their fall. Their movement in recent years to reclaim those territories, or bring them back into line is what I call actual aggression. Whether it's justified or not is a matter of opinion.