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Sep 18 2025 08:11pm
I have been researching utah state law, and whilst the governor, the president and every single news personality is saying that charlie kirks murderer will receive the death penalty, i can not see how under these provisions:

Capital crimes
Under Utah law, aggravated murder is the only crime subject to the penalty of death. It is defined as follows:

The murder was committed by a person who is confined in a jail or other correctional institution;
The murder was committed incident to one act, scheme, course of conduct, or criminal episode during which two or more persons were killed, or during which the murderer attempted to kill one or more persons in addition to the victim who was killed;
The murderer knowingly created a great risk of death to a person other than the victim and the murderer;
The murder was committed incident to an act, scheme, course of conduct, or criminal episode during which the murderer committed or attempted to commit aggravated robbery, robbery, rape, rape of a child, object rape, object rape of a child, forcible sodomy, sodomy upon a child, forcible sexual abuse, sexual abuse of a child, aggravated sexual abuse of a child, child abuse, aggravated sexual assault, aggravated arson, arson, aggravated burglary, burglary, aggravated kidnapping, or kidnapping, or child kidnapping;
The murder was committed incident to one act, scheme, course of conduct, or criminal episode during which the murderer committed the crime of abuse or desecration of a dead human body;
The murder was committed for the purpose of avoiding or preventing an arrest of the defendant or another by a peace officer acting under color of legal authority or for the purpose of effecting the defendant's or another's escape from lawful custody;
The murder was committed for pecuniary gain;
The murderer committed, or engaged or employed another person to commit the homicide pursuant to an agreement or contract for remuneration or the promise of remuneration for commission of the homicide;
The murderer previously committed or was convicted of aggravated murder, attempted aggravated murder, murder, attempted murder, or an offense committed in another jurisdiction which if committed in this state would be one of these;
The murderer was previously convicted of a specified felony such as child rape;
The murder was committed for the purpose of:
preventing a witness from testifying;
retaliating against a person for testifying, providing evidence, or participating in any legal proceedings or official investigation; or
disrupting or hindering any lawful governmental function or enforcement of laws;
The victim is or has been a local, state, or federal public official, or a candidate for public office, and the homicide is based on, is caused by, or is related to that official position, act, capacity, or candidacy;
The victim is or has been a peace officer, law enforcement officer, executive officer, prosecuting officer, jailer, prison official, firefighter, judge or other court official, juror, probation officer, or parole officer, and the victim is either on duty or the homicide is based on, is caused by, or is related to that official position, and the murderer knew, or reasonably should have known, that the victim holds or has held that official position;
The homicide was committed:
by means of a destructive device, bomb, explosive, incendiary device, or similar device which was planted, hidden, or concealed in any place, area, dwelling, building, or structure, or was mailed or delivered;
by means of any weapon of mass destruction; or
to target a law enforcement officer;
The murder was committed during the act of unlawfully assuming control of any aircraft, train, or other public conveyance by use of threats or force with intent to obtain any valuable consideration for the release of the public conveyance or any passenger, crew member, or any other person aboard, or to direct the route or movement of the public conveyance or otherwise exert control over the public conveyance;
The murder was committed by means of the administration of a poison or of any lethal substance or of any substance administered in a lethal amount, dosage, or quantity;
The victim was a person held or otherwise detained as a shield, hostage, or for ransom;
The murder was committed in an especially heinous, atrocious, cruel, or exceptionally depraved manner, any of which must be demonstrated by physical torture, serious physical abuse, or serious bodily injury of the victim before death;
The murderer dismembers, mutilates, or disfigures the victim's body, whether before or after death, in a manner demonstrating the murderer's depravity of mind; or
The victim, at the time of the death was younger than 14 years of age and was not an unborn child.


Did i miss something in there?
From what i am reading a single murder with no torture is not elegible for the death penalty unless the shooter was former law enforcement or killed a sitting politician or emergency services worker or commited crimes against a child.
A first time offender who turned himself in and only killed one person seems far from what the above provisions allow for the death penalty.

This post was edited by Plaguefear on Sep 18 2025 08:14pm
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Sep 18 2025 10:40pm
A terrorist act can receive the death penalty.

Is it really that hard to understand?
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Sep 18 2025 10:47pm
The murderer knowingly created a great risk of death to a person other than the victim and the murderer.

This is it, and also taken directly from the list of charges against Robinson. E.g., they argue that the bullet could have struck the guy who asked Kirk that question right before he was shot, as he stood close to him etc.
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Sep 18 2025 10:51pm
Dont think laws really matter to these folks. Who's going to stop them?
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Sep 18 2025 10:52pm
Dont think laws really matter to these folks. Who's going to stop them?


More inaccurate information.
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Sep 18 2025 10:53pm
More inaccurate information.


The president is a convicted felon. Facts dont care about your feelings on this one.
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Sep 18 2025 10:58pm
The murderer knowingly created a great risk of death to a person other than the victim and the murderer.

This is it, and also taken directly from the list of charges against Robinson. E.g., they argue that the bullet could have struck the guy who asked Kirk that question right before he was shot, as he stood close to him etc.


Yes this is precisely the case being made by prosecutors
It doesn't really matter whether they get life in prison or the death penalty in the end, so its more of a quibble at this point
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Sep 18 2025 11:02pm
The president is a convicted felon. Facts dont care about your feelings on this one.


This has nothing to do with the OP's post or the point of this thread....
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Sep 18 2025 11:13pm
The president is a convicted felon. Facts dont care about your feelings on this one.


And McCarthy led an effort to have an 84 year old W.E.B. Du Bois imprisoned on charges of being an unregistered foreign agent (Same FARA as Mueller) acting on behalf of the soviets because he wrote treatises opposing nuclear proliferation, only for Albert Einstein to show up to speak as a character witness and shame the prosecution into folding. More facts.
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Sep 18 2025 11:30pm
Yes this is precisely the case being made by prosecutors
It doesn't really matter whether they get life in prison or the death penalty in the end, so its more of a quibble at this point


It's a bit of a stretch though with only one bullet fired.
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