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May 15 2025 09:12am
Briden was the oldest president to ever serve in the USA. Donald will be older by the end of his term making him the oldest president in history.

Congress's average age is now over 60.
Senants average age is nearing 65.

I personally sit or attend 20+ different board meetings per year for various companies, directors are all gray , should be retirees. Obviously people are living longer, and as a result senior leaderships average age will be getting higher.

"Research suggests that older adults may be more susceptible to certain cognitive biases due to age-related cognitive decline, such as the positivity effect, which leads them to focus more on positive aspects of decisions. Younger adults, on the other hand, may be more prone to considering future benefits when making decisions. "

Obviously the argument is going to come down to new perspective vs experience and institutional knowledge and the biases' you naturally develop as you age and if term limits would be impactful in eliminating wealth accumulation of senate and congressmember's' who have engaged in less than savoury practices that may not be beneficial to Americans as a whole but a select class of individuals only.

I don't think we necessarily need an arbitrary line drawn for age, but I do think term-limits that once up cannot seek re-election. So might call that undemocratic.
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May 15 2025 09:36am
In the past 50 years since 1975, the median age in the US has risen from 30 to 45. The life expectancy has risen from 70 to 78
As medical technology is advancing, people are living longer and staying competent longer. We let fossils like strom thurmond, robert byrd and chuck grassley serve until their deaths (or grassley gets beamed up by aliens in a corn field or something)
If you put in a term or age limit now, it will become more and more strained over time as a more elderly population brushes up against it
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May 15 2025 09:42am
Physiological decline and even mental decline in people as they get older is well known.

We've all seen the mental freezes of people like Biden, McConnell, Feinstein, etc. I don't know what the answer is, age in itself probably should not be the only factor. I mean look at Trump. Old as fuck but still super active. Just gave a brilliant speech in SA got the royal treatment secured investment commitments into the US (whether they actually materialize is another story).

Point is, as of right now it's obvious Trump is fine and has lots of vigor, but i do agree that generally the avg age in congress should move down. We probably need term limits, not because of the age problem but because those entrenched in there for decades cater to special interest and that's how they actually get the reelection dollars.

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May 15 2025 09:45am
USA is not a Democracy, it is a Constitutional Republic
Term limits could be added, Age limits could be added, The People could make it happen.

The US Constitution limits the government and empowers the people.

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Democracy turns into Socialism turns into Communism
You can't add anything in those systems.

The word Democracy is a code word for Socialism.
Read perestroika by gorbachev

"Democracy is indispensable to socialism." - Vladimir Lenin

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Schools stopped teaching Civics and started teach SOCIAL studies.
They're slowly brainwashing you and your children into servitude with no knowledge how to free yourself.

They view you as a kid, your children to them are kids. a kid is a goat, goats were used as sacrifice to their s u n god.
They herd you and guide you into the corral, utterly controlling every aspect of your life, with your consent.

And this is how we have mentally weak people thinking "Democracy" is good. TADA this has been your lesson for the day.

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May 15 2025 09:50am
In the past 50 years since 1975, the median age in the US has risen from 30 to 45. The life expectancy has risen from 70 to 78
As medical technology is advancing, people are living longer and staying competent longer. We let fossils like strom thurmond, robert byrd and chuck grassley serve until their deaths (or grassley gets beamed up by aliens in a corn field or something)
If you put in a term or age limit now, it will become more and more strained over time as a more elderly population brushes up against it


There's certainly truth in the increase in age of the median, but if we actually carve out and look at those in poverty, the age expectancy is not much better than that of 3rd world countries. There's a stark difference between the age expectancy of the top % compared to the lower. Over a decade.

This allows the wealthy to live longer, which allows them to also hold on and not relinquish power longer, be it CEO's, board seats, politics, etc.

The result is going to be a wealthy, old, ruling class that refuses to relinquish power.

Physiological decline and even mental decline in people as they get older is well known.

We've all seen the mental freezes of people like Biden, McConnell, Feinstein, etc. I don't know what the answer is, age in itself probably should not be the only factor. I mean look at Trump. Old as fuck but still super active. Just gave a brilliant speech in SA got the royal treatment secured investment commitments into the US (whether they actually materialize is another story).

Point is, as of right now it's obvious Trump is fine and has lots of vigor, but i do agree that generally the avg age in congress should move down. We probably need term limits, not because of the age problem but because those entrenched in there for decades cater to special interest and that's how they actually get the reelection dollars.


That's my thought and why I am also in the camp of term limit compared to age restriction. I don't look at it much different from our police here in Canada. RCMP have posting limits too not get too comfortable with their area in efforts to reduce corruption.

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May 15 2025 10:15am
The lower House's average age being over 60 is a damning piece of evidence against parliamentary democracy

Senate is more okay since in principle they should be older people. But absolutely NOT the lower chamber

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May 15 2025 10:18am
We need a very strict line on age and term limits. On everything. Including supreme courts.

The moment you don’t put exact numbers on these things the system has too much wiggle room and becomes corrupt.
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May 15 2025 10:30am
Some financial transparency might be more effective than a term limit.
Legally Bind Representatives to publicly share their assets.
That is a more terrifying (to them) a proposal.

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You're going to tell me that lobbyists have not lined the pockets of representatives?
How about inside trading for friends and family?

(outdated list)
Rep. Grace F. Napolitano (D-Calif.) - At 87 years old
Rep. Bill Pascrell (D-N.J.) - 86 years old
Rep. Hal Rogers (R-Ky.) - 85 years old
Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.) - 85 years old
Rep. Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) - 84 years old
Rep. Nancy Pelosi - 83 years old

Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) - Age: 90 (at time of passing)
Sen. Charles Grassley (R-Iowa) - 91 years old
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I(D)-Verm.) - 84 years old
Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) - 75 years old

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Some of these fine people are mentally bright,
But are battle hardened on stances that may not best serve their constituents.

This post was edited by Mondain on May 15 2025 10:42am
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Some financial transparency might be more effective than a term limit.
Legally Bind Representatives to publicly share their assets.
That is a more terrifying (to them) a proposal.

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You're going to tell me that these lobbyists have not lined the pockets of representatives?
How about inside trading for friends and family?

(outdated list)
Rep. Grace F. Napolitano (D-Calif.) - At 87 years old
Rep. Bill Pascrell (D-N.J.) - 86 years old
Rep. Hal Rogers (R-Ky.) - 85 years old
Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.) - 85 years old
Rep. Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) - 84 years old
Rep. Nancy Pelosi - 83 years old

Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) - Age: 90 (at time of passing)
Sen. Charles Grassley (R-Iowa) - 91 years old
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I(D)-Verm.) - 84 years old
Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) - 75 years old

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Some of these fine people are mentally bright,
But are battle hardened on stances that may not best serve their constituents.


The average age actually went down this year because some died of old age. That's where we are at. And as Void mentioned above, age does not 100% predict mental capacity / cognitive function. Trump is clearly significantly more functional than Biden at similar ages. This does make it difficult to set an arbitrary line should it ever come to fruition.

The issue is more people will hold a seat until they actually die of old age with no term-limits (as in can no longer run for re-election).

Devils advocate to my own opinion, research suggests you do become more altruistic as you age. So perhaps older is better.

You're selfish younger, but what does unlimited term length in politics where you can take advantage of such positioning do to that altruism, seems to poison it. But I think that's where term limits come in.

This post was edited by SBD on May 15 2025 10:47am
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Out of touch old people be drafting bills yo
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