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Dec 28 2024 11:58am
Copyrights and patents, in particular, are horrible, stifling progress and funneling wealth to those most willing and able to play legal games for 'IP rights'

I'm not a big fan of AI generated content, but one nice thing is we can take copyrighted images or text, for example, and run them through AI to 'launder' the IP through automatic permutation
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Dec 28 2024 03:32pm
Now I have to rethink my entire values system because I agree with you.
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Dec 28 2024 04:05pm
Obviously without intellectual property laws creativity would be stifled. The Beatles would not have produced Abbey Road without it, and none of us would know who they are. This applies to books and everything else. Great artists are freed by their art, and allowed to pursue those goals as far as they wish because of intellectual property laws. Without those laws every author and every musician you ever heard of would have been born rich, which eliminates a good chunk of the great ones.

Dostoevsky would have been unpublished, the latter part of his life would have been spent in the military until he was discharged for suffering seizures, and then he would have died literally begging in the streets. He probably never would have been exiled to Siberia tho, so there is a bright side.

Another great utopian idea brought to you by a total unwillingness to take reality into account.
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Dec 28 2024 04:58pm
Obviously without intellectual property laws creativity would be stifled. The Beatles would not have produced Abbey Road without it, and none of us would know who they are. This applies to books and everything else. Great artists are freed by their art, and allowed to pursue those goals as far as they wish because of intellectual property laws. Without those laws every author and every musician you ever heard of would have been born rich, which eliminates a good chunk of the great ones.

Dostoevsky would have been unpublished, the latter part of his life would have been spent in the military until he was discharged for suffering seizures, and then he would have died literally begging in the streets. He probably never would have been exiled to Siberia tho, so there is a bright side.

Another great utopian idea brought to you by a total unwillingness to take reality into account.


There are open source artists the world over that disprove this
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Dec 28 2024 05:29pm
Obviously without intellectual property laws creativity would be stifled. The Beatles would not have produced Abbey Road without it, and none of us would know who they are. This applies to books and everything else. Great artists are freed by their art, and allowed to pursue those goals as far as they wish because of intellectual property laws. Without those laws every author and every musician you ever heard of would have been born rich, which eliminates a good chunk of the great ones.

Dostoevsky would have been unpublished, the latter part of his life would have been spent in the military until he was discharged for suffering seizures, and then he would have died literally begging in the streets. He probably never would have been exiled to Siberia tho, so there is a bright side.

Another great utopian idea brought to you by a total unwillingness to take reality into account.


Funny I know who Hans Christian Anderson is despite Disney making billions off stealing his work.
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Dec 28 2024 09:00pm
There are open source artists the world over that disprove this


Point them out. Anyone can make mediocre art in their basement while working full-time. I do it. Tons of people do. Truly great artists devote their lives to their art, which means they need money either from their art or from somewhere else. Open source artists are either going to be mediocre, or they have money from another source.

Funny I know who Hans Christian Anderson is despite Disney making billions off stealing his work.


To be fair, you probably know who he is because of Disney, not in spite of them. The alternative is that you know of him because his published works were profitably sold under copyright.

You should be celebrating Disney “stealing” his work. Isn’t that what you’re arguing in favor of right now?

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Point them out. Anyone can make mediocre art in their basement while working full-time. I do it. Tons of people do. Truly great artists devote their lives to their art, which means they need money either from their art or from somewhere else. Open source artists are either going to be mediocre, or they have money from another source.



To be fair, you probably know who he is because of Disney, not in spite of them. The alternative is that you know of him because his published works were profitably sold under copyright.

You should be celebrating Disney “stealing” his work. Isn’t that what you’re arguing in favor of right now?


I would except disney made billions off THE PUBLIC DOMAIN then locked all of their work up in copyright for 150 years.
Copyright does not predate art, it is a relatively new concept.
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Dec 28 2024 11:10pm
I would except disney made billions off THE PUBLIC DOMAIN then locked all of their work up in copyright for 150 years.
Copyright does not predate art, it is a relatively new concept.


Hans Christian Andersen copyrighted his work. Copyrights do expire though, and should. He died a long time ago.

Copyrights are a relatively new concept. This is why for most of history writing was done only by the aristocracy, because they were rich enough to be able to write prolifically without needing it to be a source of income.

Now, a man like Dostoevsky can use writing to escape poverty, allowing him to devote his life to his art, mature, and produce works that exalt. Without copyrights we would be robbed of some of the greatest thoughts in human history.
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Dec 29 2024 12:06am
Only people with small brains think this is true. This is why such things have existed since the dawn of time.
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Dec 29 2024 01:59am
Hans Christian Andersen copyrighted his work. Copyrights do expire though, and should. He died a long time ago.

Copyrights are a relatively new concept. This is why for most of history writing was done only by the aristocracy, because they were rich enough to be able to write prolifically without needing it to be a source of income.

Now, a man like Dostoevsky can use writing to escape poverty, allowing him to devote his life to his art, mature, and produce works that exalt. Without copyrights we would be robbed of some of the greatest thoughts in human history.


They do not expire anymore, disney has fought to the point where it gets extended every time its about to expire and just about everyone else gets carried along with them.
Its 75 years after the death of the creator last i heard and that was being fought, the public domain is important and it has been shit on by those who got wealthy leeching off of it.
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