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Nov 13 2024 06:34am
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/11/democrats-dishonest-gender-conversation-2024-election/680604/

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One of the mysteries of this election is how the Democrats approached polling day with a set of policies on gender identity that they were neither proud to champion—nor prepared to disown.


https://www.wcvb.com/article/rep-moulton-defends-controversial-comments-about-transgender-athletes/62858174
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While Democratic Rep. Seth Moulton ran unopposed Tuesday, he's now facing plenty of opposition over comments he made about transgender athletes during a newspaper interview about the party's election losses.

"Democrats spend way too much time trying not to offend anyone rather than being brutally honest about the challenges many Americans face," Moulton told the New York Times. "I have two little girls, I don't want them getting run over on a playing field by a male or formerly male athlete, but as a Democrat, I'm supposed to be afraid to say that."

The backlash was swift. Moulton's campaign manager and top aide, Matt Chilliak, resigned, and the School Committee in Salem, Moulton's hometown, strongly denounced the comments.


And then there was this rather funny exchange recently:
“I think there are a lot of families out there who don’t believe boys should play girls’ sports,” Singleton said, opening a debate over the inclusion of transgender athletes in sports.

“They’re not boys,” Michaelson said in response to Singleton’s comment. “I’m not going to listen to transphobia at this table.”



So what do you gamers think: are the Democrats going to double down on unpopular opinions surrounding gender? Or are they going to move to a more moderate position?
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Nov 13 2024 07:28am
In that particular discussion they can't really play the minority card, so the 1% gender card is their only play.

The bearded guy just sounds ridiculous. silencing all conversation because he disagrees with it.
I get that it's CNN with no credibility left anyways, but it looks like he's just doubling down on his opinion and is simply not willing to discuss the topic at hand.

A lot will change over the next 4 years. Americans just have to decide if they like the realities of the new changes or prefer the make-believe marketed world the corporate media tells them is correct.
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Nov 13 2024 08:43am
They'll double down and if you disagree you're a fascist ^^
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Nov 13 2024 08:52am
Hey guys, the leftward shift on cultural issues is not going to stop because Trump got elected.

I wish it would stop, I'm more culturally right-wing than Trump voters(I care if leaders are thrice-married and habitual liars), but the president has basically no power in this.
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Nov 13 2024 09:10am
Quote (DoggieDoo @ Nov 13 2024 08:28am)
The bearded guy just sounds ridiculous. silencing all conversation because he disagrees with it.


Yeah, I think that's the gist of what The Atlantic writer pointed out: shouting down the other side isn't a convincing or winning argument. In my experience that's often how these discussions go.

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Hey guys, the leftward shift on cultural issues is not going to stop because Trump got elected.


Do you think these viral ideas, specifically the one on gender here, are going to continue unabated and are ultimately destined?
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Nov 13 2024 09:19am
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Do you think these viral ideas, specifically the one on gender here, are going to continue unabated and are ultimately destined?


First off, I think who is president has virtually no influence on the matter.

I'm honestly not sure. Acceptance of gay people has become normalized. I think it's probably the same with trans people, although the sports side of it really does provide a useful example to people as to the limits of accepting the mental illness/delusions of trans people. Watching a man dominate women in a sport is instinctively unjust for viewers, no matter where they are on the political or cultural spectrum.

So I guess I would say trans people will become accepted and men(who are deluded and believe they are women) competing in women's sports will be opposed.

Again, I'm truly more culturally right-wing than most(or all?) Trump supporters on this forum. Like I'm culturally where right-wingers were at under Clinton, which is far-right of where they are at under Trump.

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Nov 13 2024 09:22am
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First off, I think who is president has virtually no influence on the matter.

I'm honestly not sure. Acceptance of gay people has become normalized. I think it's probably the same with trans people, although the sports side of it really does provide a useful example to people as to the limits of accepting the mental illness/delusions of trans people. Watching a man dominate women in a sport is instinctively unjust for viewers, no matter where they are on the political or cultural spectrum.

So I guess I would say trans people will become accepted and men(who are deluded and believe they are women) competing in women's sports will be opposed.


I'll accept trans people when they stop trying push their agenda onto me and my kids. Leave me alone and I'll leave you alone. And honestly I think that's how the majority of people stand.

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Nov 13 2024 09:24am
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I'll accept trans people when they stop trying push their agenda onto me and my kids. Leave me alone and I'll leave you alone. And honestly I think that's how the majority of people stand.


Exactly. This will be the cultural norm, while everybody pretends the man dressed as a woman is not weird as fuck.
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Nov 13 2024 09:42am
They really chose to die on the hill of mutilating, castrating and spaying children

Didn't surprise me

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They really chose to die on the hill of mutilating, castrating and spaying children

Didn't surprise me


"They" is doing a lot of work. Kamala did not run an identity politics campaign and some weirdo on CNN does not represent the Democratic party.
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