Almost.

You religious guys believe in one of the..I believe 5 or 6 big, main world religions or in one of the thousands of others while Atheists like myself dont believe in any of them due to the lack of evidence presented for those claims.

So we are almost the same. You dont believe in any religion apart from one and I believe in just one less.

Cheers guys!

Because atheism is a religion itself

It's very different from irreligion/secularity/agnosticism

Nope, not a religion.

There is no definition of the word that is official or anything.

The word Atheism is more like a general word that can capture everthing you mentioned above. You are not the first smartass who wants to tell me that an Atheist is believing that no God exists, but thats not true for every form of atheism.

Its a word and it means A for Anti and theism is self-explanatory. Its a short form of Anti- Theism and, opposed to what you or anyone whats to tell me, it in my case just means I refuse to accept god claims without any evidence to back them up.

I am not a member of any organisation or group, I am just an Atheist and I already stated how I define that word for me.

This post was edited by Modulok2405 on Sep 19 2024 02:59am

I never became an Atheist, I have always been one. Also never claimed what you say I claimed. Never cared about what ammendments say. Constitution is written by humans for humans. Also I am not American, the constitution is not a thing in my country.

This post was edited by Modulok2405 on Sep 19 2024 03:02am

there's plenty of evidence for jesus' divinity, not "proof" though in the same sense there is no "proof" of most things

lack of evidence is an odd thing to say, care to go into more detail?

Where is that evidence? Going into more detail about it? Which more details would i require to share here?

the evidence of Jesus as a historical figure is overwhelming, no serious historian questions that

for the evidence of Jesus' divinity I ask what type of evidence would you be interested in?

one common cited evidence is Jesus' empty tomb. it's historically accepted that Jesus' tomb was found empty, and Roman leaders as well as the Sanhedrin would very much like to have Jesus' body to mock his attempted blasphemy.

Desecration of graves was punishable by death in Rome at the time, it was an extremely serious offense and Romans had every reason for Jesus' body to remain.



when I ask about more detail I am saying what type of evidence would you want? When you say "lack of evidence " what do you mean precisely?

This post was edited by majorblood on Sep 19 2024 05:56am

I agree that, while not proven 100% of course, that evidence leans heavily towards the historical man Jesus existence and I, as a rationalist, see this as the best possible explanation.
So yes, we can agree on that. Jesus existed more likely than not.

As for the rest of the claims, the divinity, I dont even know were to start. Not even is there no evidence of Jesus divinity, there is also no evidence of divinity being a thing at all.

The historical Jesus existence is pretty much agreed on, because there is a bunch of very serious and believable historical pieces of scripture mentioning a person with this name. It wouldnt make a lot of sense to mention someone in lets say "office documents" without it being true.

As for the divinity claims, they would need entirely different quality of evidence to back it up of course. An empty grave is not exaxtly that. Let me tell you a story:

For example, if someone tells you he has 10 bucks in his bag, you might believe him without proof. The evidence of him saying that is very likely enough for you to believe him just because it makes sense and isnt out of the ordinary.

Now if some other guy tells you, he got a million bucks in his bag, you'd probably need to see it to believe the guy although the story was the same. Its a more extraordinary claim this time. But at least you know that a million bucks theoretically exists. So its at least possible as far as you know.

A third dude now says he has a trillion bucks in his bag and also has 20 people around him claiming they saw it and that hes right about it, you probably would still not believe it, no matter what those people say, cause thats not realistically possible in your opinion.
That bag wouldnt be big enough to begin with, at least not as far as you know. That claim is outside of what you think could be possible. This dude would be the richest dude in the world by far and just carries this around in a bag? I mean, they say its true right? But wheres the proof? Any evidence leading to this conclusion? How did he get so rich, who even is this? Does it make sense?

This post was edited by Modulok2405 on Sep 19 2024 06:27am

It would be a lot more interesting if you addressed the empty tomb instead of this hypothetical

what research have you done into the claims of divinity of jesus? what made you think the evidence was lacking or contradictory, etc.

This post was edited by majorblood on Sep 19 2024 06:40am