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Jul 11 2024 07:01pm
Ok so i have seen a lot of right wing people explain that homosexuality is forbidden by the bible, and use this as a reason to dehumanise queer folk.
I have been sharpening up on my bible and i worked out that the bible mentions homosexuality six times.. and adultery THIRTY NINE TIMES.
And one of those six times ALSO calls out adultery as being on the exact same level as homosexuality.

1 Corinthians 6:9 ESV
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality.

This bible verse actually calls trump out TWICE which i have bolded.
So does your bible ACTUALLY dictate your morals or is it just a great excuse to openly hate people you already hate?
Because this seems pretty clear cut to me.

This verse of the acts of an evil heart doesn't even mention homosexuality.

Matthew 15:19
For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality,theft, false witness, slander.

But it DOES point out 5 sins your idol engages in regularly.

Matthew 5:27 ESV
“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’

Luke 18:18-20
And a ruler asked him, “Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?” And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone. You know the commandments: ‘Do not commit adultery, Do not murder, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honor your father and mother.’”

Note in the above passage jesus is asked how to get to heaven and his FIRST answer is to not commit adultery.


Galatians 5:19-21
Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Take out sorcery and this verse might as well be if someone was asked to describe trump in 1 minute or less.

“Now we know that the law is good, if any one uses it lawfully, understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, immoral persons, sodomites, kidnappers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine” (1 Tim. 1:8–10)

This one is a bit bigger, but it also calls out trump where bolded.

This post was edited by Plaguefear on Jul 11 2024 07:24pm
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Quote (Plaguefear @ 11 Jul 2024 20:01)
Ok so i have seen a lot of right wing people explain that homosexuality is forbidden by the bible, and use this as a reason to dehumanise queer folk.
I have been sharpening up on my bible and i worked out that the bible mentions homosexuality six times.. and adultery THIRTY NINE TIMES.
And one of those six times ALSO calls out adultery as being on the exact same level as homosexuality.

1 Corinthians 6:9 ESV
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality.

This bible verse actually calls trump out TWICE which i have bolded.
So does your bible ACTUALLY dictate your morals or is it just a great excuse to openly hate people you already hate?
Because this seems pretty clear cut to me.

This verse of the acts of an evil heart doesn't even mention homosexuality.

Matthew 15:19
For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality,theft, false witness, slander.

But it DOES point out 5 sins your idol engages in regularly.

Matthew 5:27 ESV
“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’

Luke 18:18-20
And a ruler asked him, “Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?” And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone. You know the commandments: ‘Do not commit adultery, Do not murder, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honor your father and mother.’”

Note in the above passage jesus is asked how to get to heaven and his FIRST answer is to not commit adultery.


Galatians 5:19-21
Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Take out sorcery and this verse might as well be if someone was asked to describe trump in 1 minute or less.

“Now we know that the law is good, if any one uses it lawfully, understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, immoral persons, sodomites, kidnappers,liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine” (1 Tim. 1:8–10)

This one is a bit bigger, but it also calls out trump where bolded.


There is a reason people "repent".

There is a reason people are mentally in state of "purgatory". aka not worthy of Gods grace because of constant "sinning".

There is a reason no human being can live a full life and NOT engage in some/all of these activities without immense difficulty.

If you try to live as Christ did in todays modern society you are SCORNED, ATTACKED, and HATED. Why? Because by you even attempting to walk in Gods grace all the sinners around you spit on you because they themselves are fallen.

I always tell people to try and not lie(white lies included) and be honest through and through. You will end up as Jesus did. Alone in the desert(mind) being tempted by the "devil"(sin). Metaphorically obviously.

I lost friends and family because I spoke the truth. So to will anyone who even remotely tries to "live and speak as Jesus did".

Go speak the word of Jesus Christ to anyone and everyone and watch how quick everyone disappears. That's the point. You are suppose to struggle and fall as he did but "rise" in his name to fulfill the gospel(good news).

I know a lot of people who say they "believe in Jesus Christ" but next to NONE try and ACT as he did. There's a big difference between people who "know Christ" and the people who just "believe".

edit: See how you are going back into the Bible to gain a better understanding? That's the lords work. No one forced you to do it you do it on your own accord. God bless you brother.

This post was edited by SwamiVivekananda on Jul 11 2024 08:41pm
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Jul 11 2024 08:46pm
Quote (SwamiVivekananda @ Jul 12 2024 12:39pm)
There is a reason people "repent".

There is a reason people are mentally in state of "purgatory". aka not worthy of Gods grace because of constant "sinning".

There is a reason no human being can live a full life and NOT engage in some/all of these activities without immense difficulty.

If you try to live as Christ did in todays modern society you are SCORNED, ATTACKED, and HATED. Why? Because by you even attempting to walk in Gods grace all the sinners around you spit on you because they themselves are fallen.

I always tell people to try and not lie(white lies included) and be honest through and through. You will end up as Jesus did. Alone in the desert(mind) being tempted by the "devil"(sin). Metaphorically obviously.

I lost friends and family because I spoke the truth. So to will anyone who even remotely tries to "live and speak as Jesus did".

Go speak the word of Jesus Christ to anyone and everyone and watch how quick everyone disappears. That's the point. You are suppose to struggle and fall as he did but "rise" in his name to fulfill the gospel(good news).

I know a lot of people who say they "believe in Jesus Christ" but next to NONE try and ACT as he did. There's a big difference between people who "know Christ" and the people who just "believe".

edit: See how you are going back into the Bible to gain a better understanding? That's the lords work. No one forced you to do it you do it on your own accord. God bless you brother.


Ok, but why are homosexuals not given the same leeway that adulterers are by the right?
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Jul 11 2024 09:00pm
Quote (Plaguefear @ 11 Jul 2024 21:46)
Ok, but why are homosexuals not given the same leeway that adulterers are by the right?


Because the ACT of homosexuality is against biology. There is no creation there.

Although both are WRONG the right makes it "ok to cheat on your wife" or "sleep around" because of "society" aka RICH MEN make EXCUSES for doing morally wrong things.

Doesn't make it right EVER and I don't think ANY US President is a "man of God". Power corrupts absolutely. I have more respect for a homeless guy holding up a sign that says, "Christ is King" over Trump/Biden/Obama/Bush.

Politics is a circus and if Jesus was walking amongst us he'd steer far clear of such debauchery.

Every sin carries the same weight! People often say "well I didn't murder anyone" so I think I'm good.

Keep telling yourself that but when you stand before Almighty God know that what you thought you could "hide" could never be "hidden".

edit: That's why to me the "Revelation" is YOU as a human being coming to realize you could never be "perfect" and that you must be held accountable for ALL your DEEDS /ACTIONS/ThOUGHTS(good and bad). So yes the average person "God fearing" or "Satan fearing" realized they too are "fallen" but don't want to admit they are the same level as Satan/Lucifer. Why? Because Satan/Lucifer's greatest crime was wanting EVERYONE to be like "God". For me personally I think Satan/Lucifer will be forgiven before some "heavy sinners". Imagine that. Most people do worse then what the devil did and still think they are getting into Heaven.

This post was edited by SwamiVivekananda on Jul 11 2024 09:08pm
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Jul 11 2024 11:17pm
Quote (Plaguefear @ 11 Jul 2024 21:01)
Ok so i have seen a lot of right wing people explain that homosexuality is forbidden by the bible, and use this as a reason to dehumanise queer folk.
I have been sharpening up on my bible and i worked out that the bible mentions homosexuality six times.. and adultery THIRTY NINE TIMES.
And one of those six times ALSO calls out adultery as being on the exact same level as homosexuality.

1 Corinthians 6:9 ESV
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality.

This bible verse actually calls trump out TWICE which i have bolded.
So does your bible ACTUALLY dictate your morals or is it just a great excuse to openly hate people you already hate?
Because this seems pretty clear cut to me.

This verse of the acts of an evil heart doesn't even mention homosexuality.

Matthew 15:19
For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality,theft, false witness, slander.

But it DOES point out 5 sins your idol engages in regularly.

Matthew 5:27 ESV
“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’

Luke 18:18-20
And a ruler asked him, “Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?” And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone. You know the commandments: ‘Do not commit adultery, Do not murder, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honor your father and mother.’”

Note in the above passage jesus is asked how to get to heaven and his FIRST answer is to not commit adultery.


Galatians 5:19-21
Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Take out sorcery and this verse might as well be if someone was asked to describe trump in 1 minute or less.

“Now we know that the law is good, if any one uses it lawfully, understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, immoral persons, sodomites, kidnappers,liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine” (1 Tim. 1:8–10)

This one is a bit bigger, but it also calls out trump where bolded.


For god all sin is equal and forgiven if one truly asks for it.


How man views these things does not equate to how god does
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Jul 11 2024 11:25pm
Quote (Ryvulet @ Jul 12 2024 03:17pm)
For god all sin is equal and forgiven if one truly asks for it.


How man views these things does not equate to how god does


Ok then how do all these so called christians reconcile their faith with their lack of values?
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Jul 12 2024 12:23am
Quote (Plaguefear @ Jul 12 2024 07:25am)
Ok then how do all these so called christians reconcile their faith with their lack of values?


only those who are shutting their mouth have a chance because:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thou_shalt_not_take_the_name_of_the_Lord_thy_God_in_vain

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Jul 12 2024 12:51am
Church and state should always be separated.

Quote (SwamiVivekananda @ 12 Jul 2024 05:00)
Because the ACT of homosexuality is against biology.


Biological beings can't behave against biology.

This post was edited by BaHgerAUT on Jul 12 2024 12:52am
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Jul 12 2024 01:14am
Quote (SwamiVivekananda @ 12 Jul 2024 05:00)
Because the ACT of homosexuality is against biology. There is no creation there.


There's plenty of homosexuality among animals, just google it. (I can't link picture evidence here on jsp, for obvious reasons...)
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Quote (BaHgerAUT @ Jul 12 2024 07:51am)
Church and state should always be separated.



Biological beings can't behave against biology.


Biologically some women are more suited to certain jobs. Like doing dishes.
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