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Nov 30 2023 06:29pm
WTF is going on with Canada. This country has not grown in the last decade.

USA posted some good GDP numbers today.

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Nov 30 2023 06:47pm
There's lots of reasons but there's been a significant focus on labour utilization, not labour productivity, two very different things.
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Canadian economy is not diversified enough, it basically revolves around real estate and export of raw goods . 8 years of Liberal government in place funding every Aboriginal support and wokeness program that comes to their mind.
When you look at stats on what is actually growing in Canada and whats declining its 5x worse

By industry, over the last year:
Last year
Public administration [91] 4.5%
Transportation and warehousing [48-49] 3.0%
Health care and social assistance [62] 2.4%
Educational services [61] 2.3%
Real estate and rental and leasing [53] 1.8%
Arts, entertainment and recreation [71] 1.3%
Retail trade [44-45] 1.2%
Professional, scientific and technical services [54] 1.1%
Wholesale trade [41] 1.1%
All industries [T001] 0.6%
Construction [23] 0.5%
Accommodation and food services [72] 0.2%
Finance and insurance [52] 0.1%
Other services (except public administration) [81] -0.1%
Mining, quarrying, and oil and gas extraction [21] -0.5%
Administrative and support, waste management and remediation services [56] -0.9%
Manufacturing [31-33] -1.0%
Information and cultural industries [51] -2.2%
Utilities [22] -4.8%
Agriculture, forestry, fishing and hunting [11] -18.5%
Management of companies and enterprises [55] -35.8%

Money is flowing out of private sector en masse

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There's lots of reasons but there's been a significant focus on labour utilization, not labour productivity, two very different things.


Canada is WHOLLY unproductive man. In the last 10 years we have gone NOWHERE. Its sad AF.
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Quote (Uber23 @ Nov 30 2023 07:56pm)
Canadian economy is not diversified enough, it basically revolves around real estate and export of raw goods . 8 years of Liberal government in place funding every Aboriginal support and wokeness program that comes to their mind.
When you look at stats on what is actually growing in Canada and whats declining its 5x worse

By industry, over the last year:
Last year
Public administration [91] 4.5%
Transportation and warehousing [48-49] 3.0%
Health care and social assistance [62] 2.4%
Educational services [61] 2.3%
Real estate and rental and leasing [53] 1.8%
Arts, entertainment and recreation [71] 1.3%
Retail trade [44-45] 1.2%
Professional, scientific and technical services [54] 1.1%
Wholesale trade [41] 1.1%
All industries [T001] 0.6%
Construction [23] 0.5%
Accommodation and food services [72] 0.2%
Finance and insurance [52] 0.1%
Other services (except public administration) [81] -0.1%
Mining, quarrying, and oil and gas extraction [21] -0.5%
Administrative and support, waste management and remediation services [56] -0.9%
Manufacturing [31-33] -1.0%
Information and cultural industries [51] -2.2%
Utilities [22] -4.8%
Agriculture, forestry, fishing and hunting [11] -18.5%
Management of companies and enterprises [55] -35.8%

Money is flowing out of private sector en masse


ya the only sector that is growing is this bloated fucking gov who is doing NOTHING.
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Nov 30 2023 07:52pm
There are better indicators than gdp... To know evolution. At this point a society can transform alot internally (let's hope positively) while keeping the same GDP...
Another society can have an increase but at wild cost, like more social tensions and/or social inequalities.

Health, professional qualification level, wellbeing...
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Nov 30 2023 08:37pm
Quote (Bazi @ Nov 14 2023 12:22pm)
US September 2022 core high - 6.6%
Current 4.03%, long term average 3.68

Germany June 2023 core high - 5.8%
Current 4.3%, long term average 1.62%

Canada July 2022 core high 5.5%
Current 3.2% , long term average 3.55%

UK may 2024 core high 6.5%
Current 6.1% , long term average 1.9%

France April 2023 core high 6.3%
Current 5.0%, long term average 1.48%

All data per ychart and tradingeconomics as sources, they were both within 0.25% for all values but mostly the same

Using Asian numbers is moronic, Japan especially, even more moronic when trying to compare first world inflation problems. Their case has been unique to the rest of the first world, for the worse, for the last 20-30years

And I included a few of Europe’s major economies not the shit tier ones


Canada > US > Germany >France >UK

In fact Europe is doing terrible and this is core so energy excuse is excluded, Germany a bit better and more on par with US

Of course that’s in regards to inflation goal being 2%. As much as it is the US goal, We are just better consumers compared to the rest of the world. so our actual longer term inflation rate of 3.6 we are already close to

Gg, America wins (well, still rlly Canada)

Jerome Powell Nobel prize tho



I can’t remember the covid stats country to country but in regards to
Who won the economic fight comparing country to country US and Canada have won. Too many dumb America haters, whom are mostly American smh

Canada actually will be easing before the US. This is your actual leading indicator to rate cuts in the US.



We have been in lock step with canada on inflation, they have been just slightly ahead of us

Paused earlier , etc

This is probably a sign of things to come for US, 5.2% gdp is by no means sustainable with the shock rate rising. Not to mention this quarters revision was INFLATED massively by government spending. Something people aren’t broadcasting is the negative revision on consumer spending, much more ominous, down to 3.6%

Basically, I think it’s less about Canada and an upcoming macroeconomic trend

I think soft landing is probably dream scenario and Canada forecasting some pain in their gdp coupled with US warning signs liked decreased public savings, increase credit debt and that at record rates , decreased consumer spending, etc

Tldr I think America gonna get rate cuts sooner than expected too, but Canada leads

This post was edited by Bazi on Nov 30 2023 08:51pm
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Nov 30 2023 11:11pm
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Canada is WHOLLY unproductive man. In the last 10 years we have gone NOWHERE. Its sad AF.




Not to worry. If the weather keeps going like it is, you'll be able to sell snow to the US. :D

Snow... use all you want, we'll make more. Signed Canada

This post was edited by Ghot on Nov 30 2023 11:16pm
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Canada is WHOLLY unproductive man. In the last 10 years we have gone NOWHERE. Its sad AF.


I wonder how GDP and productivity growth in the US would look like without Silicon Valley.
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Dec 1 2023 12:14pm)
I wonder how GDP and productivity growth in the US would look like without Silicon Valley.


Ballpark 15% worse off
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