How are we still treating food as something only to be traded and profited on in 2023? I’m sure many in this forum will squawk about how it isn’t feasible to provide food for everyone. The current system is unsustainable, where large firms squeeze more profits out of poisoning our food because its cheaper to make.

It is overly centralized and industrialized, overly controlled by a handful of companies, overly reliant on monocultures, pesticides, chemical fertilizers, chemical additives, genetically modified organisms, factory farms, and fossil fuels. Its low prices are an illusion. The real costs are much too high, and they are being imposed on mainly the middle class and the poorest and most vulnerable people in the United States.

Have you ever been hungry in your life? And I don’t mean “I feel like a snack” hungry. I mean “going for a week without food as you cannot afford it” hungry?



Modern farming has allowed you to shitpost on d2jsp instead of dying in the field ploughing half-rotten potatoes to feed your malnourished family.

And yet you are here complaining about your cozy and sheltered life online. I strongly advise to visit some less fortunate countries like Chad or Sudan that have no access to modern farming methods or capital to deploy them and try to figure out how to get something to eat there. Its all organic and circular though, hand grown with no fertilizers or pesticides.





Because somebody needs to spend resources and time to produce it and deliver it to you as you are not growing your own food.



Incredible progress in food production in the past 50 years has allowed astonishingly bigger yields and amounts of food to be produced by smaller and smaller amount of farmers using modern tech like tractors, fertilizers, crop rotation, pesticides, herbicides and so on. This has allowed the planet to sustain a population of 8bln that continues to grow



If you believe your food is poisoned - prove it and sue the company that poisons it. Or ignore their products and let market forces force them out of business.



No - you simply cant centralize food production - its spread out around the globe and nobody owns it all. Yes there are big farmer cooperatives and landowners, but its still very very decentralized. You can argue the trade is overly controlled by ADCMs and to a bigger extend the likes of ADM and Cargill in the United States, however there are plenty of options if you shop and eat locally without relying on imported exotic foods.

There is nothing wrong with Industrialisation of food production. You wouldn't be able to afford eating even potatoes otherwise.



Modern farming uses crop rotation. Pesticides are required to increase food yields and make your food cheaper. Fertilizers are basic chemistry - Phosphorus or Nitrate is the same Nitrate whether it came from a cow dung or was dug out from a mine. Chemical additives like preservatives DRASTICALLY reduce cost of transporting your food to you. GMOs arguably have allowed to increase yields HUNDRED FOLD to keep costs down. Factory farms are an essential source of protein to keep eg cost of chicken down (chicken is the cheapest, easiest and arguably the safest source of protein a human can find).

Fossil fuels? What do you suggest? Go back to ploughs?

Low prices of food has allowed majority of population take food safety for granted and focus on more "important" things like hating their neighbours, racism, gender studies and arts. It also enabled astonishing push forward in science and sociiety overall as more people can afford not to grow their own food, but dedicate their lives to something intellectual.



Sucks to be them, but United States is ultimately still one of the few countries of the world with functioning societal vertical lifts. Especially these days with the age of internet where all knowledge is at your fingers - one just has no excuse to blame somebody else for their own misfortunes

This post was edited by Malopox on Jul 30 2023 02:21am

Government is making it illegal for food establishments and supermarkets to give away their leftover food...

It costs a lot of money and bureaucracy to buy food and produce off farmers and fisherman. Too much regulation, red tape and financial constraints are put in place to hinder this very easily solvable problem. There is no or very few incentives to redistribute food for those who are poor. The real reason ofc is the government doesn't want people to share, and supply one another with basic necessities they are the ones who want to be able to do it. They want people dependent on their handouts not independent healthy population. And they are willing to starve people for this control.

Capitalism and entrepreneurs have been working hard to solve these very issues from cheap affordable housing to food and basic utilities.

Remove the Governments overreaching power and you will solve it overnight. Remove a few big companies like monsanto who lobby the shit out of the government to have monopoly on food.

This post was edited by addone on Jul 30 2023 02:31am

Its legal here and we have charities based around it like oz harvest, i give to them.

How?

I bet fatties would still eat their junk food even if healthy food was free

Yes as humanity didn’t evolve from craving fast carbs like sugar and people struggle to develop their prefrontal cortex in their childhood and lack impulse control and free will.

We have added sugar to EVERYTHING in the past 50 years.

This video below explains well about sugar addiction.

How much "healthy food" are we entitled to? Which government bureaucracy will be tasked with managing the production, transport, and allocation of 600-700 billion calories per day? Will we need a national council of dieticians to send out marching orders for what farmers are expected to produce what? Who will oversee the purchase of raw materials and other assets necessary to make farming operational?

Modern farming on the whole (and that includes the use of pesticides and fertilizers) is the only reason we are currently able to support a world population of some 8 billion souls. Are we prepared to see a mass die-off as we transition to "sustainable" methods?

I find it easy (albeit more expensive) to eat a whole foods diet. I don't consume added sugar. The reason most people don't is because they don't want to. Our government already subsidizes the hell out of milk and cheese (as they should!). We're consuming McDick's as a country because people want shitty burgers and (tasty) fries.

grocery stores get a tax cut if they seperate the old food and scraps for pig farms.

as a very conservative right wing trump supporter I agree with you

the best way to make america great again is take the issue of worrying about food off the table so that people can focus on becoming the greatest versions of themselves

now from the research that i've done the most economical resource efficient way to go about this is to mass produce vegetarian food for the population. who's with me?