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Apr 11 2023 01:18pm
https://landback.org/manifesto/

This movement to give ownership of public and private lands back to indigenous folks. Personally from what I've seen of how well indigenous folks manage their reserves I cant wait to see how well they manage a continent.

This movement seems to popular with white liberals in particular. How do our fellow pardians feel about decolonizing north America and putting ownership of the land back in the hands of natives?
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Apr 11 2023 01:31pm
Generally supportive of the idea, as it akin to reparations; specifics, however, are more challenging. At the extreme end is the idea that the United States dissolves, people would (in theory?) immigrate back to a country of recent familial ancestry, and native people would have a largely now-abandoned America to care for. I can't say that I've across many instances in which this extreme view is held in earnest. Most arguments I've been exposed to involve a recognition of the continuation of the United States while also returning specific areas of land to native people, repairing the damage that genocide caused/causes, and working in alliance with native people going forward to the extent that they'd have us.

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Apr 11 2023 01:32pm
The University of Minnesota should be the first one to willfully surrender its entire campus.

https://www.wwnytv.com/2023/04/11/report-u-minnesota-committed-genocide-native-people/

Seems like a perfect match. Just today the U of M delivered a report, dubbed the "truth report", declaring "the university’s founding board of regents “committed genocide and ethnic cleansing of Indigenous peoples for financial gain, using the institution as a shell corporation through which to launder lands and resources.”
This of course comes from that incident where Minnesota took away Dakota lands after the Dakota, motivated by financial grievance, tried to genocide the white population in a mass murder / torture / rape campaign up and down the prairie before they were defeated, killing hundreds or thousands

So looking at these two projects, I see;
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It is recognizing that our struggle is interconnected with the struggles of all oppressed Peoples.
It is a future where Black reparations and Indigenous LANDBACK co-exist. Where BIPOC collective liberation is at the core.
It is acknowledging that only when Mother Earth is well, can we, her children, be well. It is our belonging to the land - because - we are the land.


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Meanwhile, it found that the university’s permanent trust fund controls roughly $600 million in royalties from iron ore mining, timber sales and other revenues derived from land taken from the Ojibwe and Dakota tribes.


The path forward seems clear and logical. The U of M should be forcibly obligated to not only return all native lands taken from the Dakota after they went rape-crazy but also provide at least $600 million in reparations for the historical profiteering off that land. And that should be distributed to both the Dakota in honor of their perpetrated genocide as well as Black Minnesotans because they didn't really exist at the time, like one or two who passed through Fort Snelling for a few days or something.
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Apr 11 2023 01:36pm
It's popular with people who in no way contribute any of their own land or money but expect these costs to be socialized by all.

What's stopping these people from pooling their own resources and setting some common fund/fundraiser which in turn can be used to purchase land to be given back? Like that's a thing. Stop trying to break the camels back with new and creative ways to spend public money. We're 31 trillion in debt.

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Apr 11 2023 02:00pm
This type of policy has worked out so well in Canada...lol
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It's popular with people who in no way contribute any of their own land or money but expect these costs to be socialized by all.

What's stopping these people from pooling their own resources and setting some common fund/fundraiser which in turn can be used to purchase land to be given back? Like that's a thing. Stop trying to break the camels back with new and creative ways to spend public money. We're 31 trillion in debt.


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Apr 11 2023 05:11pm
The indigenous inhabitants of NA were Chinese, will they suggest we give sovereignty to China?
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Apr 12 2023 07:28pm
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At the extreme end is the idea that the United States dissolves, people would (in theory?) immigrate back to a country of recent familial ancestry, and native people would have a largely now-abandoned America to care for.

Does this imply that black Americans who are the descendants of slaves would have to go back to Africa?

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I can't say that I've across many instances in which this extreme view is held in earnest.

Imho, having come across any instances in which such a batshit insane idea is actually articulated, no matter hypothetically or jokingly, is remarkable in and off itself.
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Apr 12 2023 07:40pm
So they want free land? No thanks, I will keep mine.
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Apr 12 2023 08:05pm
He who conquers rules.
The left will cry murder, but history will be written by the victors

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