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Nov 5 2009 02:12pm
Quote (Spirit-Warrior @ Nov 4 2009 07:02pm)
Again, from a logical point of view, just because we have not yet, or do not yet know how, to prove what is right and what is wrong, does not mean there is no answer. People can have a million different opinions on evolution, it doesn't change the fact that only one is right.

"Good" and "not good" DO have objective standards that can be weighed against. "Good to myself" or "bad to myself," on the other hand, can only be weighed against subjective standards, those that I myself hold.

"I don't enjoy the game" and "the game isn't good" are NOT the same. That was my point. "I don't enjoy the game" is a statement relevant only to yourself. In this case, people arguing have no logical ground to stand on. One cannot argue how another person enjoys or doesn't enjoy something.

"The game isn't good" is a statement regarding the game itself. The former has only one truth: the truth relevant to yourself. The latter also has one truth, but a truth based on various other things. If you meant to say the latter, then the arguments put forth by the people who posted are actually valid. You attempted to make a statement about the game; a statement that is possible to be proven right or wrong. In this case, you have no right to complain about others trying to do so.


It is not possible to definitely say "A game is good" as a fact, that is opinion purely. It may be the popular opinion, but it is still based off personal preference and not anything that can be tangibly proven.
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Nov 5 2009 05:13pm
Not true. It is very possible to set standards for "good," "bad," "mediocre," or whatever. In fact, we do it all the time; for games, sports and athletes, etc. etc.

You aren't giving any reason. You're simply attempting to state your assumptions as fact. Opinions can be wrong. Opinions are very often wrong.
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Not true. It is very possible to set standards for "good," "bad," "mediocre," or whatever. In fact, we do it all the time; for games, sports and athletes, etc. etc.

You aren't giving any reason. You're simply attempting to state your assumptions as fact. Opinions can be wrong. Opinions are very often wrong.


Okay you're delusional.

Definition of Opinion: An opinion is a belief that may or may not be backed up with evidence, but which cannot be proved nor disproved with that evidence.

The term "Good" is subjective to your tastes. One man says "This shit is fucking good" another says "That tastes like my grandmothers hairy asshole" prove that one mans opinion is wrong?

No, really, I don't want to you reply with more of you nonsensical bullshit because you can't prove it one way or the other. An opinion by nature is not subject to being right or wrong.
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Nov 6 2009 05:04pm
o⋅pin⋅ion
  /əˈpɪnyən/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [uh-pin-yuhn]

a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.

We set objective standards for everything. You can say your opinion is that Michael Jordan was a bad basketball player, but you would be wrong. For games, we have standards such as graphic value, customer support, subscription statistics, etc. etc. What one could argue, is about the standards themselves, or whether a particular game meets the standards. Of course you haven't done this either. It seems to me that you are attempting, rather poorly actually, to show that Aion is a "bad" game, which was not my initial assumption. In this case, your childish whining about the childish insults are actually unwarranted. They were justified in attempting to show that you were wrong, even if they failed or did it poorly.

Your "example," is the case of a person saying "this tastes good/bad to me, personally." We, more or less, have standards for taste as well. Anyone who says, "I think dog crap tastes amazing" would pretty much universally be considered wrong.

See, the difference here is I provide actual logical evidence to support my conclusions. You spout your assumptions as absolute fact. Go take a class, or even just talk to a professor, on logical reasoning and you will learn that opinions can, and very often are, wrong. You've done nothing to actually refute any of the claims or evidence I have put forth, aside from assert your incorrect assumptions with some misplaced hostility.

This post was edited by Spirit-Warrior on Nov 6 2009 05:11pm
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Quote (Spirit-Warrior @ Nov 6 2009 03:04pm)
o⋅pin⋅ion
  /əˈpɪnyən/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [uh-pin-yuhn]

  a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.

We set objective standards for everything. You can say your opinion is that Michael Jordan was a bad basketball player, but you would be wrong. For games, we have standards such as graphic value, customer support, subscription statistics, etc. etc. What one could argue, is about the standards themselves, or whether a particular game meets the standards. Of course you haven't done this either.  It seems to me that you are attempting, rather poorly actually, to show that Aion is a "bad" game, which was not my initial assumption. In this case, your childish whining about the childish insults are actually unwarranted. They were justified in attempting to show that you were wrong, even if they failed or did it poorly.

Your "example," is the case of a person saying "this tastes good/bad to me, personally." We, more or less, have standards for taste as well. Anyone who says, "I think dog crap tastes amazing" would pretty much universally be considered wrong.

See, the difference here is I provide actual logical evidence to support my conclusions. You spout your assumptions as absolute fact. Go take a class, or even just talk to a professor, on logical reasoning and you will learn that opinions can, and very often are, wrong. You've done nothing to actually refute any of the claims or evidence I have put forth, aside from assert your incorrect assumptions with some misplaced hostility.


Oh dear god you replied... dude, really, get the fuck out of here - you're wrong.
If you look back I stated that yes indeed someone can have be the "majority opinion" or what is "universally considered " but that doesn't change it into a fact ergo having an opinion opposite to that doesn't make you wrong.

So here's my opinion: You should really shut the fuck up because I believe you to be a cretin based on your responses in this thread.
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Nov 6 2009 10:15pm
So sad. You still can't come up with arguments, so you resort to personal attacks. Unfortunately for you, the intellectual world tends to agree with evidence and reasoning, as I have put forth. Unfortunately for you, blind belief and the inability to support your claims won't get you far.

Oh, and

fact
  /fækt/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [fakt]

a truth known by actual experience or observation

Someone saying dog crap tastes good would in fact, be wrong.

This post was edited by Spirit-Warrior on Nov 6 2009 10:31pm
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