8 mil is nothing at my level. I'm 449 alchemy and am forced into a position to spend maybe 50mil to make an attempt at crafting hot heart of magic because there's pretty much nothing else to do in this game. The elyos on my server dominate the abyss and each one of these boiling bloods go for nearly 400k and you need 125 AND to crit it which is a 20% chance in itself. It's not something anyone can easily farm. You'll understand once you're in my position.

Its not supposed to be easy to farm. If you've never played Korean games, the whole system is supposed to make it difficult to achieve anything; be it leveling, gear, crafting, whatever. That's also what a legion is for. A strong, dedicated legion that actually supports members working to gear out each other rather than focusing on themselves will progress quickly. Despite NC making things easier for western audiences, its still supposed to take a long time to gear out - both in PvE and PvP.

This is the problem that the western audience has with Korean game play. We generally want to see fast and noticeable progression. That's not what Korean gaming is about. Grinding isn't "hard" but at the same time it is. TBH I'm a little disappointed at how much easier Aion is than L2 was. It takes a lot of work, cooperation, and dedication. If you're too concerned over getting gear, then you won't enjoy any Korean games. Go rifting, make groups and farm elite guards until people group up and try to gank you, make a 6 man Abyss ganking group until people start their own groups and come after you, etc. If you really are that concerned about the Fenril/Miragent set, then find a good legion. It shouldn't take that long when you have a dedicated group that actually works together.

The end game is about grinding gear. And I've played plenty of korean games. Grinding should be an option, not actually impossible because a whole faction controls an area to stop you from killing a non elite for a rare drop, which you need a ridiculous amount of.

Also, if you aren't concerned about grinding out your gear, then you will get wrecked by the players who actually are. Gear makes such an impact on this game. There is no way you will ever kill a player that has full abyss gear in shitty greens unless they're afk.
I'm actually disappointed that there are some aspects of this game that are actually far more difficult than L2 was. 20% proc rate compared to 60% and bad faction balancing to stop that grind. GG


If you've actually done the math on getting the boiling bloods, it would take around 3 to 4 months of grinding shitty elites PER ATTEMPT. Now, if you're on the winning faction, you can cut this grind down to a few days. Quite a difference. Try and tell me a "good legion" will solve the faction imbalance.

This post was edited by Boltz on Dec 10 2009 08:25pm

Grinding gear is on the way to end game. End game is PvP. People who cry about faction imbalances are just making excuses. I play Zikel Asmodian where Elyos dominate, at one point it they had 78% of the Abyss.

Abyss Gear? You were talking about Fenril/Miragent, which is not abyss gear. Go grind fort guards. If you can't do that, then I'm afraid to say its not your faction.

L2 took way more grinding for anything above B-grade. Not to mention the whole point was over enchanting gear.

So yes, if you want to blame faction balance, its your own fault, not the game or the faction. Any good legion can make it through just fine.

I was making a comparison. I guess you couldn't figure that out.
Grinding your gear is part of the end game. It's a huge factor in keeping people motivated in staying in this game.

L2 didn't take more grind for anything above B grade. I would know this because I was the first on bartz to have an entire DC set and a sword of miracles. And don't get me started on boss jewels. That involved no grind at all.
The only grind L2 had was levels.

Grinding fort guards is a pretty tough when a faction dominates the abyss. How do you grind when the players in abyss gear are looking for shit geared players like you to gank. Grinding guards isn't even worthwhile after certain ranks. Good luck getting those abyss items when you're constantly losing ap. Same deal with fenrils/miragent set. You are forced to grind a balaur controlled forts.

I would love to know what legion on zikel you're actually on because from what I see in the top guilds, there are no asmos guilds that can try to compete with uprising,catalyst, or provoked.

You're contradicting yourself. Now you say the grinding is a huge factor in keeping people interested, yet you complain that the grind for it is too difficult.

lol DC set. And what + did you get all you boss jewels and S-grade to? +3? yeah. There was grinding of all kinds to be done in L2 if you wanted good gear.

Tell me. How do you grind fort guards if you control all the forts? Oh yeah...and rofl if you think people sit at their forts 24/7 to gank people grinding. I guess its pretty obvious why you have trouble grinding the gear. It certainly isn't the faction.

EDIT: And compete with them? With what, guard farming? We do enough, no more no less. I rather spend my time doing small group vs. zerg PvP since that's what Elyos is and thats why they have more AP. I go to forts when we decide to take them for gold medals but that's about it. Almost 9k HP unbuffed without amazing gear. I do perfectly fine in PvP. Oh yeah, if you can't win without perfect gear, again, not the faction. We do perfectly fine as we are.

This post was edited by Spirit-Warrior on Dec 11 2009 08:42am

Are you really that dense? I've been saying the grind is near impossible because of faction imbalance. It shouldn't be an issue having a faction control major areas. But you're just too ignorant to see the major problems with the game.
I'm starting to believe that you're not even 50 working on your fenris quest line yet. You probably have no idea what I'm talking about when I bring up the grind for boiling bloods and 20% proc rate.

And yes, I DID +3 MY GEAR. I don't even see why you would ask that unless you're an awful L2 player. All the grind came from leveling. Adena came your way as you leveled and as long as you actually had any common sense, you would know what to level off of. And if your guild wasn't trash, you would be doing raid bosses.

Yeah, I have 30 mil spare and 2 valuable, high level stigmas to sell because I'm not 50. Faction imbalance as a reason for fail is a very poor excuse Oh, and I have 2 Fenril pieces I don't even wear.

I ask if you +3 because +3 is for bads because L2 was all about over enchanting. If you didn't then you were just scared and not good. And money in L2 didn't come from leveling - if you were smart.