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Dec 6 2009 05:19pm
Quote (halfpint @ Nov 23 2009 07:57am)
I never said I didn't want to play because of it or quit... L2read. I still play consistently and don't have plans to quit anytime soon. The point I'm trying to make is that the botting/RMT is having a negative effect on the game and if you think it doesn't affect the legit players much, you're naive. And even if you farm your own mats, botters will always be able to do it at less of an expense of their time and they do farm quest mobs too, so it isn't only affecting the economy.


Except you are wrong.
RMT and bots help the game more than they damage. Look at the prices of fluxes. 1.4 mil for a blue level 43 flux. Before the bot bannings they were 200k.
As for the l2read. My post was not directly based off you. It was for all people complaining about bots and Rmt.

This post was edited by Snoozealot on Dec 6 2009 05:20pm
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Dec 6 2009 10:44pm
Quote (Snoozealot @ Dec 6 2009 06:19pm)
Except you are wrong.
RMT and bots help the game more than they damage. Look at the prices of fluxes. 1.4 mil for a blue level 43 flux. Before the bot bannings they were 200k.
As for the l2read. My post was not directly based off you. It was for all people complaining about bots and Rmt.


The L2read wasn't meant towards you. Sure, bots and RMT 'help" the game with lowering prices, but in the long run, it ultimately ruins the game... look at what happened with games where you could basically buy your virtual gear with money (i.e. Diablo II, Lineage II, etc). Those games ended up pretty much dying with a large number of the player base leaving.

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Dec 6 2009 10:49pm
Prices are high because kinah is inflated. When people buy tens of millions, maybe hundreds, as I know there were some who dropped thousands of dollars in buying adena in L2, that inflates prices. If all RMT and all botting were completely eliminated, prices on everything would quickly reach a "true" value because legit players with legit bank would only pay so much for different items.
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Quote (Spirit-Warrior @ Dec 6 2009 11:49pm)
Prices are high because kinah is inflated. When people buy tens of millions, maybe hundreds, as I know there were some who dropped thousands of dollars in buying adena in L2, that inflates prices. If all RMT and all botting were completely eliminated, prices on everything would quickly reach a "true" value because legit players with legit bank would only pay so much for different items.


Actually Spirit-Warrior is right. Misread something back there, the prices were inflated to begin with due to the RMT and botting going on so that doesn't help the game at all. Maybe and thats a big maybe, it'll lower prices on certain items but I doubt it. The RMT/botting issue is kind of a vicious cycle where these players have plenty of money to spend at will because they buy it and end up buying in game items even at an unreasonable price (considered by legit players who have limited funds) which will keep the prices high instead of getting lower because such items at that price are being sold. Sure, you can say that the legit players can sell the same items at such a price, but the point is that in this case, botters have an unfair advantage due to the fact that they can just leave a program running and farm. Legit players will never be able to keep up or realistically make as much money as botters will. I don't think its such a big issue if people buy small amounts just to be able to purchase skills maybe, but there's a lot of people out there abusing the RMT and buying large amounts which is inflating prices.
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Dec 10 2009 01:26am
Quote (halfpint @ Nov 18 2009 07:25pm)
Lol rage and L2play through legitimate means. It's bitches like you that are making already inflated prices on most servers even worse.


I actually blame ncsoft for bad prices. Take for example, boiling balaur blood. Getting this is absolutely rediculous and you need 125 for an ATTEMPT to succeed your craft needed for fenril pants.
Then there's the stigmas. Who thought that making these world drops was a good idea? What's worse is that you need to grind specific level mobs.
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Highh i just made my acct cuz i was told this is good place i can find aion friends n such

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Quote (Boltz @ Dec 10 2009 02:26am)
I actually blame ncsoft for bad prices. Take for example, boiling balaur blood. Getting this is absolutely rediculous and you need 125 for an ATTEMPT to succeed your craft needed for fenril pants.
Then there's the stigmas. Who thought that making these world drops was a good idea? What's worse is that you need to grind specific level mobs.


Its true that many things in the game are difficult to get because drops are rare or you have to turn in a ton of collectible items for a piece of gear, but the botting/RMT has only made prices worse by inflating them.
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Quote (halfpint @ Dec 10 2009 09:56am)
Its true that many things in the game are difficult to get because drops are rare or you have to turn in a ton of collectible items for a piece of gear, but the botting/RMT has only made prices worse by inflating them.


Well actually botting made the prices better since there were so many mats on the broker that the bots actually undercut each other quite a bit. Now take a look at most of the major mats and stigmas after a large majority of the bots have been banned. Major stigmas are almost non existent on the broker and high end materials like aether have gone up to nearly 6k each. It's insane on my server.

To players that actually do buy kinah, I can't blame them. You have to be pretty damn lucky to not be broke and have some really nice gear.
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Dec 10 2009 03:18pm
Again, prices are high because the value of kinah is inflated. When people bot up or buy kinah, hundreds of millions or maybe even in the billions if you combine all the buyers/botted kinah, that creates an unnatural excess. If you're Bill Gates, would you mind paying 100$ a month to play an MMO if it gave you some kind of advantage? So, they pay much higher than legit players. If they're paying higher, why not just sell higher? Someone will buy it eventually. And the cycle goes on.
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Dec 10 2009 03:45pm
Quote (Boltz @ Dec 10 2009 03:30pm)
Well actually botting made the prices better since there were so many mats on the broker that the bots actually undercut each other quite a bit. Now take a look at most of the major mats and stigmas after a large majority of the bots have been banned. Major stigmas are almost non existent on the broker and high end materials like aether have gone up to nearly 6k each. It's insane on my server.

To players that actually do buy kinah, I can't blame them. You have to be pretty damn lucky to not be broke and have some really nice gear.


What Spirit-Warrior said. And you can make a decent amount of money by gathering and selling mats or taking up a profession. I've never bought kinah and have 300 armorsmithing, 200 handicrafting, 150 weaponsmithing with full blue quality armor on my main and over 8 mil kinah by itself and tons of mats worth quite a lot too. Working with professions, gathering your own mats, and making some good investments (buying certain items cheaply and reselling for higher, etc) will accumulate a decent amount of kinah over a short time.

The players who buy kinah are pretty much just lazy because the vast majority of them do it just so they can get the gear.

Quote (Spirit-Warrior @ Dec 10 2009 04:18pm)
Again, prices are high because the value of kinah is inflated.  When people bot up or buy kinah, hundreds of millions or maybe even in the billions if you combine all the buyers/botted kinah, that creates an unnatural excess.  If you're Bill Gates, would you mind paying 100$ a month to play an MMO if it gave you some kind of advantage? So, they pay much higher than legit players. If they're paying higher, why not just sell higher? Someone will buy it eventually. And the cycle goes on.


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