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#11
Nov 11 2009 11:03am
Quote (cdnmoosehunter @ Nov 11 2009 08:53am)
Like he said physical crit till you hit soft cap and then go hp/accuracy/attack,  evasion wont help you worth a damn when you're getting magic thrust inside of you.

Believe me,  every time I see an assassin I smile.  I dot em up, slow em,  nuke em,  kite em,  the only chance they get is within the first 5 or so seconds of the fight,  they need to hit me hard and fast,  even then, I slow/dot and get my distance,  then shower on the dps.

Unfortunately assassins are somewhat under powered from what I've seen,  prove me wrong but I believe they are the weakest class in the game so far.


Chanters will prove to be much easier then assassin's at higher levels.
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Nov 11 2009 01:30pm
Assassins are probably the most gear dependent class in the game. If they aren't twinked, they aren't going to be a huge threat. A year from now, when everyone will be 50 and sporting abyss gear, Assassins will be very strong in the hands of a good player.
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Nov 11 2009 01:47pm
Quote (cdnmoosehunter @ Nov 11 2009 11:53am)
Like he said physical crit till you hit soft cap and then go hp/accuracy/attack,  evasion wont help you worth a damn when you're getting magic thrust inside of you.

Believe me,  every time I see an assassin I smile.  I dot em up, slow em,  nuke em,  kite em,  the only chance they get is within the first 5 or so seconds of the fight,  they need to hit me hard and fast,  even then, I slow/dot and get my distance,  then shower on the dps.

Unfortunately assassins are somewhat under powered from what I've seen,  prove me wrong but I believe they are the weakest class in the game so far.


That is true, when it comes to pvp...especially group pvp they blow unless they can sneak in kill and gtfo asap, usually doesn't happen thus far because even though the dps is high, the dps only really lasts for about 1.5-2 min considering you hit with everything and nothing was resisted or evaded followed by a huge fucking wait before you can pull it off again...and in that downtime you have nothing in your arsenal but pray for crits on normal hits or run like a mad man. They have no ccs, no snares, their hide abilities are easily detected; one can't be used until about 5 seconds pass after taking a single damage with a minute cooldown...again, easily detected...and other uses 3000 DP and is still easily detected, lasts 20 second max with a 30 minute cooldown. A real waste if you ask me. Also, on top of this squishyness, ncsoft is nerfing Focused Evasion. So now they're even worse than they were considering they have no real control over triggering some of their skills. The class is way too gear dependent. Yes, pve is easy, but you still need to spam healing potions if you are grinding elites on your own. With the best gear and all, they will fair much better, but getting that gear will take forever unless you're an e-bayer.

As for my manastones; I use critical and + physical damage stones right now on my assassin, but I think I may input some HP stones in instead of some physical damages, minor changes in evasion through evasion manastones doesn't make as much of a huge difference as HP, especially when you stack evasion through your item bonuses.

This post was edited by Kurow on Nov 11 2009 02:01pm
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Nov 11 2009 01:59pm
Quote (Spirit-Warrior @ Nov 11 2009 12:30pm)
Assassins are probably the most gear dependent class in the game. If they aren't twinked, they aren't going to be a huge threat. A year from now, when everyone will be 50 and sporting abyss gear, Assassins will be very strong in the hands of a good player.


Minus the fact that all the other classes will be 50's with abyss gear or whatever... No matter how special your gear is, when you get feared, dotted and slowed/rooted you still can't do shit.
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Nov 11 2009 02:05pm
Quote (cdnmoosehunter @ Nov 11 2009 02:59pm)
Minus the fact that all the other classes will be 50's with abyss gear or whatever... No matter how special your gear is,  when you get feared,  dotted and slowed/rooted you still can't do shit.


They were able to resist 3 skills in 8 seconds (considering the opponent was dumb enough to cast in those 8 seconds) with 30 seconds cooldown, but ncsoft is nerfing Focused Evasion since assassins weren't weak enough (sarcasm intended).
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Nov 11 2009 03:23pm
Quote (cdnmoosehunter @ Nov 11 2009 02:59pm)
Minus the fact that all the other classes will be 50's with abyss gear or whatever... No matter how special your gear is,  when you get feared,  dotted and slowed/rooted you still can't do shit.


Yes, because all classes scale the same with gear, right?
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Nov 11 2009 04:13pm
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Yes, because all classes scale the same with gear, right?


Yes, thank you for confirming my point.

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#18
Nov 11 2009 04:34pm
Thought as much
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Nov 11 2009 06:36pm
Quote (Spirit-Warrior @ Nov 11 2009 03:34pm)
Thought as much


To be honest it's all relevant to the character.

If you have a character such as an assassin that is heavily gear dependent, then it's damage is based upon stats given to it through the gear.

If you have a character such as a spirit master you are skill dependent. However, in order to cast such spells you need mana, in order to defend against melee/magic attackers and continue to cast spells you need stats,
therefore SMs are just as gear dependent as an assassin.
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#20
Nov 11 2009 06:48pm
No. "Gear dependent" means the class scales very well with gear, making the gear necessary to perform at their peak. A performance vs. gear graph would be an upward spike. Not being gear dependent means they don't scale well, or as well, meaning performance is more level regardless of gear. Its no secret to anyone that isn't retarded that melee is more gear dependent, and therefor scales better, than casters. Assassins are the most gear dependent, and their performance will increase more with better gear.

And you need mana? lol...something tells me you haven't gotten very far in this game.
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