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Aug 22 2013 03:07pm
Recently sparked a solid convo on fb about hyper realism, stemming from this show:

http://www.helnwein.com/werke/leinwand/tafel_1.html

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Very stunning work, but I can only give so much gratitude towards hyper-realism... 90% of his work I guarantee is straight from a zoomed in photograph, working block by block. It takes skill, but not creativity. I don't truly see it as a painting.... Might as well be a photograph in my eyes. It doesn't have texture, or visible signs that it was created with his hands..


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Though I get what you're saying I don't really think it's a fair assessment. Don't you base a lot of your paintings off of photographs? Even if you're not trying to mimic it in a photo-realistic way, I don't think there's really a line that makes something more creative than something else. This article kind of describes why I think photo-realism is cool: http://artsnapper.com/artist-paint-photos-hyperrealism/


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I think it might be that it's easier to fathom something that has fewer brushstrokes because of how our brains work. When we can see the work put into it we can relate to it more, but with hyperrealism it's so detailed we can't fathom how long it takes, and our brain equates it with the click of a shutter, because it looks that real. So we can brush it off easier, but really, it takes much more dedication than anything else.


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I understand that hyperrealism takes skill, and a lot of it, but I personally just don't see them as paintings... Technically they're paintings... But when 100% of the painting is from a single photograph, I cant see that as art. Like I said previously, if you're going to paint directly from a photo, why not hang the photograph ? Painting it doesn't really serve a " purpose " in my eyes. Yes I've painted from photos, but most of the time its combined or manipulated. If not its solely for study purposes. I guess it also depends on how you were trained. Artists will always disagree.


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Interesting discussion going on here. I certainly think that photo/hyper-realism is art. Tanner you are right, if the painting appears to be the same as a photo, then why not hang the photograph? Although the texture of the canvas and paint will differ from a digital photograph. Then again with modern prints on canvas, maybe not so much...

One thing that I can relate it to for me is printmaking. I actually start many of my designs by working on the computer. I even go so far as to pick out specific colors of paper and inks on the monitor, and then I try and duplicate that through screenprinting. To me it is very important that the end result is done with my hands. It may look quite similar to the digital design, but the mark of my hand will always render it different. I don't want to put printmaking above digital art, but anyone can shoot out digital images these days - at home, at work, at Office Max. The labor of printmaking, and of reproducing a photograph through painting, is much more tangible and valuable than a digital print.

Some of the art at the Walker Art Center really gets me thinking, "Is this art!?" Art is so broad. Glad that we got our minds turning here.
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Aug 22 2013 03:35pm
hyper realism when influenced only by reality, like a photocopy, is something i can appreciate for its quality but overall lacking because it is so close to a photograph it doesnt stick with me, i pass by it and forget it. If they combine nonfiction and make a statement or create something original i think it is stronger.
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Aug 22 2013 11:22pm
As you yourself said, I can appreciate the skill and effort made to achieve such detail. However, even though his paintings are the dark gloomy style I like I prefer things more.....mixed. Abstract surroundings with a subject that you can connect to all blended together. I can't explain it because I'm only an art appreciator not an artist so terminology and words for explanation escape me.
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Aug 23 2013 12:20am
art - noun - the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination, typically in a visual form such as painting or sculpture, producing works to be appreciated primarily for their beauty or emotional power.

hyper-realism is akin to complex arrangements in music. more often than not, people who listen to technical death metal or speed metal are more impressed with the mechanical skill involved in playing something that demanding, rather than the overall sound.

"this is hard as fuck to play, also it sounds cool."

keep in mind, what you consider to be "art" doesn't matter to anyone except yourself. like all forms of art, it's a strange mix between objectivity and subjectivity. just because something is objectively good doesn't mean you have to like it, nor do you have to dislike something because it's objectively bad.

it's not like he's going out into the world screaming, "LOOK! LOOK AT HOW CREATIVE I AM!" it's a demonstration of technical abilities and determination, and if that's what makes him happy, then it's art.

it's also important to understand that creativity isn't the only source of inspiration.
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Aug 23 2013 08:47am
Fuck it, nigga.
If I like it; I like it.
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Aug 23 2013 10:15am
Wicked.
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Aug 23 2013 11:50am
if someone likes doing it, good for them. they will never become established as an artist unless they develop something more interesting out of their ability to paint things hyper-realistically.

when you paint something hyper-realistically you, figuratively, leave no room for interpretation. it's one less thing your audience has to do. hyper-realistic work can be very conceptually complex, but it has a hard time communicating something interesting unless you dip in to surrealism. In my mind this is because all of the symbols of a hyper-realistic piece have been washed and dried over and over through, not only art, but any type of consumable narrative.

if i walk into a gallery with photo-realism i leave immediately.

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Aug 23 2013 10:16pm
never been a fan, paint a 5''x5'' photo blown up to 5'x5' on a 5'x5' canvas to take a picture of it to shrink it back down to 5"x5" to look real, I don't see the point /shrug
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Aug 23 2013 10:25pm
I don't really know anything about hyper realism, but I feel like I would approach it in the same way that I view realism.
I can appreciate the talent and hard work that were put into the piece, but for the most part I don't find that I enjoy it.

I would personally prefer a piece that is creative and/or thought provoking. A piece that tries to tell me something. All I feel when I see realist art is that it is, in terms of it's "soul" no different from a photograph.
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Aug 23 2013 11:44pm
I paint, and I can definitely appreciate the work and effort in hyper-realism. But there is no creativity. Art without creativity is not art.
The only art in hyper-realism is the arrangement and photography involved in creating the base picture. Hyper-realism is not of any artistic value after the initial "Wow! that's a painting??"

In short,
Hyper-realism is a glorified form of tracing.


...but thats my opinion


oh and for the argument of doing portraits and other reference art:

Hyper-realism is emotionless. Its strictly measurements and staying in the lines.
My portraits can come close to a photo, but they will never be a photo.

Hyper-realism leaves absolutely no room for error, and I believe errors and inaccuracy are essential aspect of true art.
I will always be amazed by the precision and work of hyper-realism, but I will never be moved, or inspired by it.

This post was edited by DB_odin on Aug 24 2013 12:11am
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