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Jul 30 2013 10:14pm
Quote (Indent @ Jul 31 2013 12:12am)
I guess some people might want to respect the requester.

The requester might not have enough forum gold to make additional purchases, so they might be a little disgruntled that a unique service decided to sell them for personal profit. If you wanted to be courteous to the requester, you could ask the requester if they would be all right with the remaining signatures going up for sale in the future. I suspect that most people would not mind.

Personally, I think if somebody puts in the time and effort to create a signature, they are entitled to sell it.

I would purchase some of the signatures for 750.


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Jul 30 2013 10:17pm
Quote (Stratovarius @ Jul 31 2013 12:05am)
can't make an omelette without breaking eggs i guess. we could refund them.


lol, calculate the amount we owe each person from each person in each request, get it from each person who may have spent it? or if we spend money we make from the next few requests it will still take awhile to repay + if you arent getting payed reduces the amount of sigs per request. i see that method as very inefficient

it seems much simpler to not screw the people who helped kickstart us early (stat: first 6 requests we sold an avg of 3 sigs a request) and treat the service as written and offer 500fg premades on the side, i dont see how its tricky to anyone involved and the numbers arent just made up off the fly
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Jul 30 2013 10:31pm
Quote (Stratovarius @ Jul 30 2013 11:21pm)
agreed.

Requesters have no rights on something they didn't purchase.

I don't see what's the big deal. They have the chance to pick as many as they want out of 10 custom made tags for them. If they don't want them, there's no point in not selling them to someone else.


To clarify, I don't think requesters have an inherent claim to any of the tags they choose not to purchase. That being said, I do believe the service offers more value to requesters if it promises a "unique offer." So while its not strictly necessary to acquire consent from the requester, I think it is a courteous gesture.
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Jul 30 2013 10:32pm
Quote (TheReborn_Magi @ Jul 30 2013 11:17pm)
lol, calculate the amount we owe each person from each person in each request, get it from each person who may have spent it? or if we spend money we make from the next few requests it will still take awhile to repay + if you arent getting payed reduces the amount of sigs per request. i see that method as very inefficient

it seems much simpler to not screw the people who helped kickstart us early (stat: first 6 requests we sold an avg of 3 sigs a request) and treat the service as written and offer 500fg premades on the side, i dont see how its tricky to anyone involved and the numbers arent just made up off the fly


I agree, but everyone keeps bitching about 500 being unfair to the original requesters.


Honestly, whenever someone wants to buy a premade, we should just send a PM to the requester to ask if he wanted to buy any extras. If not, sell for 500 FG as premade.

Quote (MidnightRider @ Jul 30 2013 11:31pm)
To clarify, I don't think requesters have an inherent claim to any of the tags they choose not to purchase. That being said, I do believe the service  offers more value to requesters if it promises a "unique offer." So while its not strictly necessary to acquire consent from the requester, I think it is a courteous gesture.


Sure, asking for their permission is fine, but why would we pay them for our own work ?

This post was edited by Stratovarius on Jul 30 2013 10:36pm
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Jul 30 2013 10:46pm
Quote (Stratovarius @ Jul 31 2013 12: 32am)
I agree, but everyone keeps bitching about 500 being unfair to the original requesters.


Honestly, whenever someone wants to buy a premade, we should just send a PM to the requester to ask if he wanted to buy any extras. If not, sell for 500 FG as premade.



Sure, asking for their permission is fine, but why would we pay them for our own work ?


Asking permission is sufficient in my opinion. I proposed the payment idea as kind of a win-win. Requesters can purchase additional tags for 750 fg, they don't feel cheated when other users are allowed to purchase the tags made for them, and you guys get to sell premades, make fg, and hopefully increase the population of sexy tags :P If you find the payment option insulting, then obviously I fell short in the win-win department, haha.
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Jul 30 2013 10:46pm
Quote (Stratovarius @ Jul 31 2013 12:32am)
I agree, but everyone keeps bitching about 500 being unfair to the original requesters.


ah, well i see it as they get to chose what it consists of and what it looks like in addition to getting first dibs at any of them so I didn't really feel 500 was harmful to anyone. if thats the only issue we can have members just vote on which they think is most reasonable
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Jul 30 2013 10:50pm
Middy join the service
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Jul 30 2013 11:07pm
Quote (MidnightRider @ Jul 31 2013 12:31am)
To clarify, I don't think requesters have an inherent claim to any of the tags they choose not to purchase. That being said, I do believe the service  offers more value to requesters if it promises a "unique offer." So while its not strictly necessary to acquire consent from the requester, I think it is a courteous gesture.


What is the difference between a handful of people responding to a thread in the Graphics Request Forum, and in your case, a group of people banding together under a service?

There is nothing different outside of how Forum Gold is distributed. You have a bunch of talented artists under a service, and the talent is the incentive people are responding to. People respond to requests with specific guidelines, and in that sense, there is a unique quality about each signature attempted on these forums.

You can pledge not to sell the signatures you make, along with the time and effort put into them, because you want to honour some idea about uniqueness. Honestly, ask yourself this question, “Does this idea cross the minds of most people?”

Are people going to lose sleep because you sold a signature that was worked around a stock of Kirino, the anime character? If you feel better about throwing away work, then so be it. You could make a profit, and at the same time, allow people to enjoy signatures at a discounted price.
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Jul 31 2013 09:07am
Auctioning, easy way to make more profit and still give the requester a chance to reserve pieces.

Give the requester a Right to Reserve time period of lets say 1 week to buy any additional tags they wanted for 750ea and then transition the remaining to the premade gallery to be Auctioned off to the community.

Start at 500, first offer must be made by someone other than the requester, price must raise by at least X amount to be considered a new bid. Let the sigs(s) go for 2-3 days, if someone really wants the sig they won't have a problem paying more to secure the rights, this way multiple people can try to purchase the same sig, the one who wants it more will be rewarded with the sig at the higher cost, those just looking to grab a better signature at 500fg will probably be outbid, the requester has a chance to come in and bid after someone else starts the bidding. Lets say the minimum raise on a bid is 100fg, the requester could end up getting it for 600fg, thats not bad, or maybe a lot of other community members liked that particular sig and it ends up selling for 1000fg+, the service makes a better profit and the community gets to spend as much as they see fit for a high quality tag.

This not only benefits the community for being able to buy some of the high quality sigs that were made previously but also gives the requester a chance to buy any sigs that they previously thought they might not want, if they are willing to compete in the bidding. There is still a good chance that they might end up getting a reduced cost of 600 or 700fg, but it will be known to them that after their reserve period, all remaining sigs are to be sold. My guess si that there are some sigs that multiple users want and would have no problem bidding up to 1k as that is still a good price if the sig really connects with you and you end up saving 500fg from requesting yourself.

The main thing with this is that there would have to be an open forum for bidding and a moderator for it.
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Jul 31 2013 09:08am
if theres one thing id vote against it is bidding on a premade
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