this is another good point, i concurr

I understand more of this argument than some of the people involved and I am just reading Veil's posts.

[reposting to miss the catz]


this is what i said earlier

i personally think its bullshit
and take Veils point about it being, lets be honest, fairly certain that were not amongst a conspiricy
but it does exist as a point of view, though fairly unliveable, and should be appreciated.

as far as good or bad comes down to it, i think there is huge scope for grey area. so much so that nothing, in my opinon, is ever purely good or purely bad.
it also brings up another point which is ethics - do you decide good or bad on consequences (utilitarian), universalizability and thouight-experiments (Kantism), the spiritual well being of a person (chirstianity), or something else?





i like this one.



its no argument imo, just more interesting stimulating discussion thank one gets all month at school
and i do think veil is one good philosipher

This post was edited by Titch on May 10 2010 02:18pm

It's not bad, I mean, in a gore sense, I can't see guts and shit, so I'm happy. The lighting works and the DoF is good. The composition itself is quite nice too, staying close and personal with the subject. I think it might be more striking in black and white, might be worth a try to convert it.



If by philosopher you mean re-purposing a work of fiction (the novel Neuropath, which does have some fragments of truth to it) then you're correct. The experiments by Libel and Haynes are absolutely terrifying though.

Huh..so it's almost like a very neurological twist on behaviorism?
Kind of interesting imo.

Btw..for anyone struggling with the idea of simulated realities, I will quote The Matrix:

I'm the complete opposite. Skipping over everything related to the argument, cause its an argument.....on the internet

idk why u assume i dont understand simple ideas like the matrix..
but why cant u understand simple ideas like maybe what is is what is?
humans are the most intelligent animals on earth, but why do i think we're also the only animals who imagine this world isnt the definition of reality?
our experiences, our history, and scientific research proves humans have been around for thousands of years, at no time were we put into think tanks or w/e like in the matrix
with science we observe the expansion of our universe from a "big-bang" event
eventually supernovas blasted elements together forming new elements, these came together in clusters to form planets
our planet happened to produce conditions that were somehow able to support life (who knows really how life comes into the equation)
life adapts and evolves, constantly striving to improve its ability to survive (who knows what the driving force behind life really is)
and eventually somehow we're now here talking about stuff on the internet we have created
to think this existence is somehow actually just an illusion produced by idk wut, super intelligent robots like in the matrix, i dont think thats logical
(tried to simplify all that as much as possible, just finished an astronomy class that went over all that)

This post was edited by ease. on May 10 2010 02:26pm

You argue put your point forward well.
is Neuropath a fiction novel or an exploratory work? Are these experiments included? this kind of stuff really interests me, even though my minds pretty made up - conspiracy views just arent liveable.



thats a darn good quote. basically what i was trying to put across without using cheesy film quotes



goodness, so much going on
for want of not repeating myself again, 'good point'
you take astronomy?

This post was edited by Titch on May 10 2010 02:28pm