well thinking about it.. let me rephrase that, i don't consider them the same as non reference drawings. They are still art, I wasn't trying to insult anyone.
but i have alot of respect for artists like bene, where its all imagination. Thats my handicap. I can't do stuff from imagination

I think imagination and creativity are what make art great.
I do appreciate the positive comments and criticism though.
Just my opinion =/