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Feb 14 2024 01:18am
Quote (spork360 @ Feb 13 2024 01:50pm)
Why is everything posted in this forum always centered, have terrible lighting, and a complete disregard for flow?
Are all the current "artists" frequenting this forum beginners?
Are they all using junk free image editing apps/software?

Almost everything posted lacks basic knowledge of composition, flow, symmetry, depth.. and it's always centered. In some cases it even has conflicting lighting, and yet these "artists" are charging way to much. Back when this forum had actual professional Artists and Art students even the professional Artists didn't charge that much unless it was a business related commission.

FYI new artists don't center your subject in every image, spend some time and actually learn about composition, symmetry, flow ect. ect. Here is a basic guide to start..

https://ibb.co/Nsf146n

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just curious dude....

1) You mentioned bad art and Ive seen some tasteless art. This also includes some of my own since I didnt exactly spend too much time on it. But your sig doesnt look that great either so I dont think you should be spewing comments about the low quality of art.

2)What is this charging way too much?
For 1000fg, a custom sig sounds decent. People are selling premade crap for 1k to 1.5k.
Even animated ones are just simple blinks and auras.
However, I think 1.5k is fine for premade. Its only 5.50usd. What do you expect? Spend 2 hours for 5.50usd? Even spending an hour, this working far far below minimum wage.
3) Crap artists wont be contacted and chosen. They will stop posting after successive failures.

I see zero problem with the current state. Let capitalism do its magic.

This post was edited by Ozymandias31153 on Feb 14 2024 01:22am
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Feb 14 2024 08:39am
That's the price to pay.
If someone makes a post, (on any subforum here) asking "How to make fg", 90% of the time, people will say "go make sigs"
So you should expect to see people with little to no experience here, posting their attempts with their Photoshop CS3 cracked downloaded 3 hours ago
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Feb 14 2024 11:25am
Quote (Ozymandias31153 @ Feb 14 2024 12:18am)
just curious dude....

1) You mentioned bad art and Ive seen some tasteless art. This also includes some of my own since I didnt exactly spend too much time on it. But your sig doesnt look that great either so I dont think you should be spewing comments about the low quality of art.

2)What is this charging way too much?
For 1000fg, a custom sig sounds decent. People are selling premade crap for 1k to 1.5k.
Even animated ones are just simple blinks and auras.
However, I think 1.5k is fine for premade. Its only 5.50usd. What do you expect? Spend 2 hours for 5.50usd? Even spending an hour, this working far far below minimum wage.
3) Crap artists wont be contacted and chosen. They will stop posting after successive failures.

I see zero problem with the current state. Let capitalism do its magic.


1) I didn't make the sig I'm using.
2) my point wasn't what was being charged, it was the fact that to much is being charged for crap that the maker put very little to no thought into. I mean damn they could at least get the lighting correct.
3) again not my point

Quote (P4ndora @ Feb 14 2024 07:39am)
So you should expect to see people with little to no experience here, posting their attempts with their Photoshop CS3 cracked downloaded 3 hours ago


Using cs3 would be an improvement for some, it's obv. they aren't even using that

This post was edited by spork360 on Feb 14 2024 11:27am
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Feb 14 2024 11:27am
Quote (spork360 @ Feb 14 2024 12:25pm)
1) I didn't make the sig I'm using.
2) my point wasn't what was being charged, it was the fact that to much is being charged for crap that the maker put very little to no thought into. I mean damn they could at least get the lighting correct.
3) again not my point


For point 1:

Maybe he was just insinuating that since you are using it, you accepted the job as adequate and thus an "acceptable work of art" but obviously without knowing the price tag, it would be hard to gauge that for us, if it was free than well obviously its acceptable lol.
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Feb 14 2024 11:31am
Quote (3oDAtlas @ Feb 14 2024 10:27am)
For point 1:

Maybe he was just insinuating that since you are using it, you accepted the job as adequate and thus an "acceptable work of art" but obviously without knowing the price tag, it would be hard to gauge that for us, if it was free than well obviously its acceptable lol.


It was free, and I'm continuing to use it because it not that bad considering the make is admittedly a beginner artist. I wear it out of respect..
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Feb 14 2024 12:13pm
Quote (spork360 @ Feb 14 2024 10:31am)
It was free, and I'm continuing to use it because it not that bad considering the make is admittedly a beginner artist. I wear it out of respect..


I appreciate this.

For the record, I was the one that made his signature. I recently got into gfx work and offered free sigs to people that would allow me to practice/make something for them. Spork was kind enough to reach out, give me pointers and help me understand some basic graphics principles. I never expected him to wear what I made as clearly it is lacking.

Quote (Ozymandias31153 @ Feb 14 2024 12:18am)
just curious dude....

1) You mentioned bad art and Ive seen some tasteless art. This also includes some of my own since I didnt exactly spend too much time on it. But your sig doesnt look that great either so I dont think you should be spewing comments about the low quality of art.

2)What is this charging way too much?
For 1000fg, a custom sig sounds decent. People are selling premade crap for 1k to 1.5k.
Even animated ones are just simple blinks and auras.
However, I think 1.5k is fine for premade. Its only 5.50usd. What do you expect? Spend 2 hours for 5.50usd? Even spending an hour, this working far far below minimum wage.
3) Crap artists wont be contacted and chosen. They will stop posting after successive failures.

I see zero problem with the current state. Let capitalism do its magic.


I agree with your sentiments here. And you're spot on with with your last point.

But I also don't see any problems with people being critical about gfx quality in general. In fact, it's a good thing across the board imo. Whether it's directed at a beginner like myself, or someone more experienced, criticism is or should be that driving force which pushes artists to be better and less complacent in their work. The prices being charged is besides the point really, and comes secondary to people's willingness to push themselves to produce better quality works.

I'll admit that Spork got to a boiling point and lashed out with this post, he could've approached it with a bit more finesse, but that doesn't mean we can't be receptive to what he was getting at. Which is more quality, less complacency.
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Feb 14 2024 12:30pm
Quote (ijsGv @ Feb 14 2024 11:13am)
I appreciate this.

For the record, I was the one that made his signature. I recently got into gfx work and offered free sigs to people that would allow me to practice/make something for them. Spork was kind enough to reach out, give me pointers and help me understand some basic graphics principles. I never expected him to wear what I made as clearly it is lacking.


It really isn't bad at all, I can literally point out 10 things that are perfectly done which I can't do to some of the other recent posts on this forum.

Your better then I was when I started, keep it up

This post was edited by spork360 on Feb 14 2024 12:32pm
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Feb 14 2024 12:32pm
good thing none of my sigs are centered B)
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Feb 14 2024 12:44pm
Quote (spork360 @ Feb 14 2024 11:30am)
It really isn't bad at all, I can literally point out 10 things that are perfectly done which I can't do to some of the other recent posts on this forum.

Your better then I was when I started, keep it up


Thank you.

I invite you to look at some of my recent premades when you get a chance, and maybe shoot me a PM with what you think I'm doing right, or maybe need to consider and improve on moving forward. Do you see progress in general? I appreciate your input.
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Feb 15 2024 10:40pm
Can you show some examples of your own work with all of what you mentioned and shared, to better illustrate what you’re trying to portray here?
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