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Feb 9 2023 09:34am
Quote (Crooked @ Feb 9 2023 09:30am)
Hence "sub"

This is a good opportunity to get on your Lo versus 40/15 soap box



It’s already been proven that 40/15max > Lo for any character wkrh critical strike.

Lo > 40/15max for any char without critical strike.
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Feb 9 2023 09:48am
Quote (Bui6Pays40Percent4Wins @ Feb 9 2023 09:12am)
These are all easy to simulate.

And the whole point is to remove RNG to get the expected outcome.

Of course in any one duel, someone can have bad rng and roll low damage rolls while the opponent rolls only high damage rolls.

Doesn’t mean that one particular setup is better because of a 5 or 7 set duel. With how many variables there are, the sample size of 5 or 7 is way to low.

Which is why you can easily simulate the expected results to determine which setup is better over the long term.

You can only do this with melee because there is no skill involved. Just click and hold.


that's all well and good, but what im saying is that i for years did this in excel to try and theorycraft setups vs each other just for LLD lvl 18 zeal vs zeal, or even conc v conc to try and get better results in a simpler setup, and the outcomes were only so good. even when comparing the outcome of the calc vs an ft25. you could of course just assume my math wasnt up to par, but it was correct.

in the end you have to broadcast "time blocking" vs "time attacking" in frames, then apply all of the numbers for each char based on that to actually approximate a duel. it's not a simple calculation, all of the simple algebra just gives you the bones and a skeleton wont say who wins over an ft25.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Feb 9 2023 09:49am
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that's all well and good, but what im saying is that i for years did this in excel to try and theorycraft setups vs each other just for LLD lvl 18 zeal vs zeal, or even conc v conc to try and get better results in a simpler setup, and the outcomes were only so good. even when comparing the outcome of the calc vs an ft25. you could of course just assume my math wasnt up to par, but it was correct.

in the end you have to broadcast "time blocking" vs "time attacking" in frames, then apply all of the numbers for each char based on that to actually approximate a duel. it's not a simple calculation, all of the simple algebra just gives you the bones and a skeleton wont say who wins over an ft25.



It’s sounds like the issue was your math.

If time blocking and time attacking is the same, which it would be in zeal vs zeal, this is a bull value that can be ignored for example. As there is no difference between the 2 parties.

But yes, melee can fundamentally be dumbed down into a few equations to get the expected results.

Again, most of the issue is people don’t understand small sample size.

Even in a ft25, the sample size is to small.
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Feb 9 2023 11:18am
Quote (Bui6Pays40Percent4Wins @ Feb 9 2023 10:59am)
It’s sounds like the issue was your math.

If time blocking and time attacking is the same, which it would be in zeal vs zeal, this is a bull value that can be ignored for example. As there is no difference between the 2 parties.

But yes, melee can fundamentally be dumbed down into a few equations to get the expected results.

Again, most of the issue is people don’t understand small sample size.

Even in a ft25, the sample size is to small.


as you said the math is 7th grade algebra, cth formula, dmg calc, ctb calc, etc. it wasn't the math.

but if you want it to be accurate you have to forecast the duel itself. whomever gets the first hit forces a block, time spent blocking is time spent not attacking. then you have to broadcast the frames with a degree of accuracy from there all the way to death. you have to create a sim that does this, the raw numbers can guide your build to a degree but they wont be accurate in even an ft100 from the low level algebraic base.

but if im wrong feel free to do the math you said is very easy, i'd love to at least see the raw #s of EDC vs this mallet as well as what you think that means for a %chance to win, which could be broadcast to FT10 and FT25 for the formats actually used in leagues.
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Feb 9 2023 01:40pm
Quote (Hamm @ 9 Feb 2023 04:02)
Good point. :love:

But Sport Record has no mantinels, thats why its called Record and people are doing more and better and better again and again.

However this item has mantinel 40ias 450ed 2sockets
No more can be done.


I think its a narrow perspective. With this mindset your 200K fg chars in LOD wouldn't be consider trophy. Since my 200 fg mf hammerdin can 1vs 7 all of you. So hammerdin must be the mantinel in pala vs pala duels?
I do agree with you that D2R trophys are hard to rate.

On the mallet, I rate 6/10. missing a nice mod/ 2 sox.
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Feb 9 2023 03:45pm
grief ^^
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Feb 9 2023 03:54pm
Quote (TROGDOR @ Feb 10 2023 10:45am)
grief ^^


TROGDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!/10
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Feb 9 2023 03:56pm
eh, 6/10
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Feb 10 2023 12:29am
gg
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Feb 10 2023 09:10am
Nice mallet.
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