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Apr 8 2016 03:31pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Apr 8 2016 09:27pm)
Having dueled 18 melee quite a bit over the last 10 years on East NL I honestly can't remember the last time i faced someone using a Cleg's zealer. Other than a few that rolled over from ladder or people who had a zealer/charger laying around. Most of the oldfags from 18 melee don't use it because it's lame and unbeatable, its not banned because there isn't a population large enough to even merit rules lol


what? no m8 I'm talking about 3/5 of the zeal attacks as individual strikes

the first strike requiring no FBR to block and the last strike being too slow to require FBR to block

actually its less then 20% block efficiency because its 32% chance to bypass armor but its actually the average chance you have to be hit twice in a row(or 3 times in a row) over 3 attacks

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Apr 8 2016 03:38pm
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1 all skill 20dex and 20life (25 stat worth)+ a bit of extra armor (depending on rare shield/rare belt on opposite)
VS
15stat worth +5rep(belt) +50Ar(sig boots bonus) + rare shield mods (2dr/2mdr/10life/ethrep) + 1 jewel (up to 4mods) worth of stats

even without the 20% block efficiency i would take the option #2 anyday with the correct item mods

maybe you should take into account that this 1 skill adds 10% eDmg, 18% ar and 20% eDef (30% while concing) ;)
plus that bit of extra armor from sig set is not that small after all bonuses applied
all that at no cost btw...
also a level 18 concer will never socket a rare jewel unless he can find a close to impossible 8-14 one

this being said, years of experience ingame > theory crafting anyday
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Apr 8 2016 03:55pm
He only gets 20% armor, not 30%, shout doesnt count because thats why he has a prebuff swap
A 20maxer would do, no need 2k jewel
and yeah 10% dmg and some bonus AR but AR isnt that good unless vs other conc

I would rather have something like 2os 30/20 2dr+(2mdr or 10life or rep(eth))

I lose like...10 stats value (mostly due to the dex from CK) and some defense, and I gain 5rep + up to 4 mixed damage reduction(or rep bones can go up to 74 def, higher with gothic shield) + a good-godly jewel slot worth of stats + tiny better block efficiency, minus like half a really bad jewel stats worth from the lost +skills, plus with CK if enemy has any MDR you reduce your physical damage

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Apr 8 2016 04:08pm
TBH I would consider a 20ias flail and bloodfist to hit the same breakpoints while freeing up slot for rare shield+rare belt+ck boots(or 20life 10rep 1dex crafted boots) if your only purpose was to melee vs melee

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Apr 8 2016 04:19pm
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A 20maxer would do

exactly that. so why are you talking about "up to 4 mods"?

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if your only purpose was to melee vs melee

those are the only duels you can win with a conc

as for zealers, they are no trouble at all
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Apr 8 2016 04:20pm
Quote (Sepulba @ Apr 8 2016 10:19pm)
exactly that. so why are you talking about "up to 4 mods"?


those are the only duels you can win with a conc

as for zealers, they are no trouble at all


well, a 20maxer or a 4modded rare jewel
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Apr 8 2016 04:21pm
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well, a 20maxer or a 4modded rare jewel

only if the 4 mods are min, min, max, max with perfect rolls. you do not need anything besides damage here
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Apr 8 2016 04:28pm
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only if the 4 mods are min, min, max, max with perfect rolls. you do not need anything besides damage here


they do not need 4 perfect mods to beat a magic +20 in average damage
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Apr 9 2016 10:58am
Quote (thesnipa @ 8 Apr 2016 17:27)
Having dueled 18 melee quite a bit over the last 10 years on East NL I honestly can't remember the last time i faced someone using a Cleg's zealer. Other than a few that rolled over from ladder or people who had a zealer/charger laying around. Most of the oldfags from 18 melee don't use it because it's lame and unbeatable, its not banned because there isn't a population large enough to even merit rules lol



It used to be the poor mans option since 3 zeal 3 conc 5 sock scepters were rare as hell and jewels then were so expensive :p

I remember they (ladder n4ps) banned it in 18 leagues for a while
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