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Dec 29 2014 01:33pm
Quote (Hellskin @ 29 Dec 2014 19:23)
when you are comparing 2 almost identical circlets and only the mana / @ res differ, while they both have 2 open sockets. Why on earth do mention "jools" as if they are relevant.

With some basic use of logics you should know jewels in this discussion are totaly irrelevant.



Its not like most HLDers play like us break, not drinking mana....

when you pot 20@ will be better.



So if you compare the access of both stats via sc's you'd only come to the conclusion that 78 mana is bigger gain in overall stats than 20@...?

Right?


:mellow:


its 68mana vs 75mana, but thats not the point at all lol. If you can have 4 free scs on a nec not needing further resistances, that probably means your build is not optimised and that you can get some more extra stats/life/repl mod or different socket somewhere in your jewellry/helm/whatever to increase your tankability and get the final resistances from charms. I will put you a very clear example. If you use a 2nec 20fcr 60life 20@ nec amulet and u reach max resistances with 4 free scs, the best choice is to swap your amulet for a 2nec 20fcr 60life 10replenish life and use 4x 20/5's instead of 4x 20/17mana scs.

Mana wont help you surviving longer. In HLD you CAN drink mana as you stated, but ALSO theres no point in out-mana'ing your oponent because the first runing out of mana will stop the duel to gather some more pots, SO WILL YOU.
On a nec you reach the desired mana (850-900) on europe for example with spirit + 1x 80+mana mod + 1x 10-20 amulet mana mod + white/hoto mana mod.

I think anyone can understand this.

But i am out now for good and for real, this is becoming a pointless discussion rly.

This post was edited by reyrol on Dec 29 2014 01:40pm
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For god shake this is g.f.g.
If you upgrtade it to a diadem i will travel to what ever you live just for slap your face :blush:
Obv joke :)

9,5/10 :drool:
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Quote (reyrol @ Dec 29 2014 08:33pm)
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its 68mana vs 75mana, but thats not the point at all lol. If you can have 4 free scs on a nec not needing further resistances, that probably means your build is not optimised and that you can get some more extra stats/life/repl mod or different socket somewhere in your jewellry/helm/whatever to increase your tankability and get the final resistances from charms. I will put you a very clear example. If you use a 2nec 20fcr 60life 20@ nec amulet and u reach max resistances with 4 free scs, the best choice is to swap your amulet for a 2nec 20fcr 60life 10replenish life and use 4x 20/5's instead of 4x 20/17mana scs.

Mana wont help you surviving longer. In HLD you CAN drink mana as you stated, but ALSO theres no point in out-mana'ing your oponent because the first runing out of mana will stop the duel to gather some more pots, SO WILL YOU.
On a nec you reach the desired mana (850-900) on europe for example with spirit + 1x 80+mana mod + 1x 10-20 amulet mana mod + white/hoto mana mod.

I think anyone can understand this.

But i am out now for good and for real, this is becoming a pointless discussion rly.



you are making it pointless. having 4 free scs slots to switch around, hilarious lol. what options you got on scs except 20/17s or 20/5s? (europe)
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Dec 29 2014 07:55pm
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Quote (Goonjar @ 28 Dec 2014 22:39)
Stop trying to take away this mans topic. Mana > res, if you disagree, your d2 pvp knowledge is poor.
10/10 @ posters item.


:rofl: goonjar mr d2 knowledge
This thread was a good read. Discussion should be over (jeebus and reyrol posted the right explanation).
Nice circ 9/10
Change mana for res for 10/10
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Dec 29 2014 08:12pm
Quote (Hellskin @ Dec 29 2014 06:23pm)
when you are comparing 2 almost identical circlets and only the mana / @ res differ, while they both have 2 open sockets. Why on earth do mention "jools" as if they are relevant.

With some basic use of logics you should know jewels in this discussion are totaly irrelevant.



Its not like most HLDers play like us break, not drinking mana....

when you pot 20@ will be better.



So if you compare the access of both stats via sc's you'd only come to the conclusion that 78 mana is bigger gain in overall stats than 20@...?

Right?



Yep that pretty much sums it up.

The funny thing that people are choosing to overlook is that res is 100% useless in many duels. I don't even think the mana circlet is necessarily better than the res circlet, but it annoys me when someone tries to derail a thread so early with an "better" item that is effectively 5 affixes in many duels.
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Dec 29 2014 08:16pm
Quote (breakbeatz2 @ Dec 30 2014 03:12am)
Yep that pretty much sums it up.

The funny thing that people are choosing to overlook is that res is 100% useless in many duels.  I don't even think the mana circlet is necessarily better than the res circlet, but it annoys me when someone tries to derail a thread so early with an "better" item that is effectively 5 affixes in many duels.


http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=71943719&f=103&p=484341571

Explained here.

Reyrol gave it 9/10 tho, he just posted that item to show what he considered a 10/10 necro circ.

This post was edited by Jeebus666 on Dec 29 2014 08:27pm
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Res > mana overall

Come in me

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