Quote (RAZORIZEDBALGAG @ Mar 27 2022 05:22pm)

why are you trying to fully optimize a PvM build??
cheap/common items are all that's needed.
Hoto or wiz spike
Shako or fcr hat
Enigma
Spirit
Trangs or chancies
War trav
Mara or fcr ammy
BK or fcr ring
BK
rand mf charms

Monsters are weak, you just want the 125 fcr and generic +skills damage. A truly gfg PvM hdin build would hardly save any time at all/10

Quote (Stefbef @ Mar 27 2022 04:09pm)

i gotta say if you ever want the highest dps setup it will be with a scepter, just not cta scepter

something like:

trang gloves
arach
2 pala 3 hammer 3 conc sceppter with 10 fcr (should beat 3 pc 3 hammer 3 conc iirc)
spirit st
2 pala 20 fcr diadem (again beats 3 pc 20 fcr)
2x bk/soj
2 pala 20 fcr amu

i used something like this cos i had rly high budget on eu sc nl and my pala had 24% dr with berber in the helm and like 4600 life anyway so i didnt care too much, it ended up with like 18k dmg 125 fcr cos i wanted to do chaos quickly to hit 98 for lvling (in baalruns)

but you should ask yourself, is all that resistance loss and dr loss worth the tiny bit of damage, i'd say no unless u got top realm items.

Quote (Annarothsorc @ Mar 29 2022 11:56am)

No they are not weak at all. Not all builds do it fast as the top, I would even say that there are more builds can't easly p3 than those who can (obvious disclaimer- I am not refering to GG maxed ones but regular builds with good, regular+ item). Its just the insta gib that doesnt even give mobs chance to touch you so you feel like they are non existante.


Why trying to optimize PvM build:
Lol because why not. I can bounce through a p8 content slashing it so quickly that this scepter will actually pays off after a certain amount of time.





Thats the top of the top. The peak performance which only a specialized scepter could let you achive, melting CS in a time i assume, that no man could ever come close to(in a hand of a right player ofc ^_^ ).


Btw, I swapped my Spirit with HoZ and the damage diffrence per one hammer is well visible.
I cant tell yet if its worse or actually decent, because of my muscle memory still makes me cast unnesecary hammers when monsters are already dead. However I have to admit that its fun as hell to be a little rusty (fcr lose) bomberman nuking the area.

The worst thing is FCR lose on teleport, thats a sad part, however for FCR lose on hammers isnt really a problem, especially on P8.
As mobs have more HP you need more hammers to be casted (aimed very well), unless you have more DMG per hammer. Then you dont need as much of casts.

Lets have a situation you casts 2x 13k hammers, but mobs stays alive at 10% hp, then you need third. It took you 3x9 fcr to cast = 27 fcr
Now I do the same as 2x15k hammers and kill those. I did that in 2x10 FCR= 20 FCR.

There is a diffrence there is no doubt about it.
Theres a huge skill factor which catalyze how you use such set up.


And to all those sad mfer, I like to MF. I like to hunt, collect and ID loot.

The way I optimize my "peasant" PvM build I do the DING DING even faster and more frequently :banana:
I already found a couple of superior bases (gues what, kiling monsters faster yield me more loot!) so its not like not paying off lol

Quote (Haseo @ Mar 29 2022 08:13am)

Have we concluded this item is bad yet

Quote (Annarothsorc @ Mar 26 2022 06:41pm)

Why is that ppl pays bers++++ for 3/3/ base or ber++ for 3/2 but it doesnt beat it? Ppl build those into cta for 4/4 in total.

That's a 5/2 to all paladin skills, what's wrong with that lol

Quote (Annarothsorc @ Mar 28 2022 11:56pm)

No they are not weak at all. Not all builds do it fast as the top, I would even say that there are more builds can't easly p3 than those who can (obvious disclaimer- I am not refering to GG maxed ones but regular builds with good, regular+ item). Its just the insta gib that doesnt even give mobs chance to touch you so you feel like they are non existante.


Why trying to optimize PvM build:
Lol because why not. I can bounce through a p8 content slashing it so quickly that this scepter will actually pays off after a certain amount of time.





Thats the top of the top. The peak performance which only a specialized scepter could let you achive, melting CS in a time i assume, that no man could ever come close to(in a hand of a right player ofc ^_^ ).


Btw, I swapped my Spirit with HoZ and the damage diffrence per one hammer is well visible.
I cant tell yet if its worse or actually decent, because of my muscle memory still makes me cast unnesecary hammers when monsters are already dead. However I have to admit that its fun as hell to be a little rusty (fcr lose) bomberman nuking the area.

The worst thing is FCR lose on teleport, thats a sad part, however for FCR lose on hammers isnt really a problem, especially on P8.
As mobs have more HP you need more hammers to be casted (aimed very well), unless you have more DMG per hammer. Then you dont need as much of casts.

Lets have a situation you casts 2x 13k hammers, but mobs stays alive at 10% hp, then you need third. It took you 3x9 fcr to cast = 27 fcr
Now I do the same as 2x15k hammers and kill those. I did that in 2x10 FCR= 20 FCR.

There is a diffrence there is no doubt about it.
Theres a huge skill factor which catalyze how you use such set up.


And to all those sad mfer, I like to MF. I like to hunt, collect and ID loot.

The way I optimize my "peasant" PvM build I do the DING DING even faster and more frequently :banana:
I already found a couple of superior bases (gues what, kiling monsters faster yield me more loot!) so its not like not paying off lol