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Now I understand why they call you the rand of east of something

I don't play East so you are digging even deeper
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I don't play East so you are digging even deeper


Idc ur still a rand, I've brought my own numbers to back up my theory, and all you have done was well...nothing... So until you're ready to back up what you have to say just refrain from posting.
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Idc ur still a rand, I've brought my own numbers to back up my theory, and all you have done was well...nothing... So until you're ready to back up what you have to say just refrain from posting.


Concentrate is uninterrupted, FBR is an interruption.

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Concentrate is uninterrupted, FBR is an interruption.


Thx. I was trying to remember if that was how it worked before mentioning it. I figured that's what Marieusz was getting at so I didn't bother anymore. Been so long since I've read any game mechanics. Thx for rate.

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Thx. I was trying to remember if that was how it worked before mentioning it. I figured that's what Marizeus was getting at so I didn't bother anymore. Been so long since I've read any game mechanics. Thx for rate.


Indeed! I remember Grimaud's (IIRC) zealer back in the day being very annoying because he ran Conc aura. And i didnt understand why i was losing with the setup i had at the time compared to the other zealers. That's the day i looked up uninterruptable attacks haha, and then came across it again when building my 30 conc!
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1 all skill 20dex and 20life (25 stat worth)+ a bit of extra armor (depending on rare shield/rare belt on opposite)
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15stat worth +5rep(belt) +50Ar(sig boots bonus) + rare shield mods (2dr/2mdr/10life/ethrep) + 1 jewel (up to 4mods) worth of stats

even without the 20% block efficiency i would take the option #2 anyday with the correct item mods
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By the way uninterruptible only means that the attack will make you invulnerable to hit recovery or block animation canceling the attack, it does not automatically grant you max FBR, blocking attacks will still occur at most as fast as the frames you're able to reach I'm pretty sure even tho they won't send you into block recovery animation

its like saying if you used conc you could block 10 simultaneous guided arrows just because the attack says uninterruptible

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By the way uninterruptible only means that the attack will make you invulnerable to hit recovery or block animation canceling the attack, it does not automatically grant you max FBR, blocking attacks will still occur at most as fast as the frames you're able to reach I'm pretty sure even tho they won't send you into block recovery animation


I understand that, what I'm saying is that as conc is uninterruptable, it comes down to do you think you will take more than one hit from a volley. If not block rate is moot. I can run some hypothetical numbers when i get home but from my experience it doesn't happen very often. If it does, its versus a clegs zealer which you can't hope to compete with using any build except for a clegs zealer in an ft15. That is a big reason many people stopped building clegs zealers on NL and left those for Ladder, it simply wasn't fun playing the "how close to a clegs zealer can i make my char" game.
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zealer with 6/48/20 gcs and 12/15s small charms + clegs and 2x 80ar rings with lvl 7 zeal will have 32% chance to hit against his barb

on page 8 if you read my theorycraft it basically amounts to 20% better blocking efficiency since it only works on 3/5 on the paladin's attacks
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zealer with 6/48/20 gcs and 12/15s small charms + clegs and 2x 80ar rings with lvl 7 zeal will have 32% chance to hit against his barb

on page 8 if you read my theorycraft it basically amounts to 20% better blocking efficiency since it only works on 3/5 on the paladin's attacks


Having dueled 18 melee quite a bit over the last 10 years on East NL I honestly can't remember the last time i faced someone using a Cleg's zealer. Other than a few that rolled over from ladder or people who had a zealer/charger laying around. Most of the oldfags from 18 melee don't use it because it's lame and unbeatable, its not banned because there isn't a population large enough to even merit rules lol
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