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Feb 13 2020 09:18am
Quote (Ukon @ Feb 13 2020 04:17pm)
Who are you referring to?


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Quote (Ukon @ Feb 13 2020 04:06pm)
The only gear difference is East not having bug belt and East having different 08 boots.

But a sorc isn’t going to use BB for SvS anyway.

I can’t help that you guys weren’t smart enough to have the item rollers roll actual good items for you. The item sites also sold the crafted mana boots as well with those stats. Maybe not a 100% perfect roll tho.

If the combination of stats were different, I would happily give you a 10/10. But the problem still stands that the stat combinations aren’t the best combination for any build.



well if u guys are allowed to precast, than i don't get why so many sorcs are played partial es in us

for a high es sorc, which is strongest build, i can't see what u hope to get out of 08 boots
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Oh ya I already told him that build he is using could be upgraded.

Cransnam and I have become friendly after he used to try to bash me.

I also don’t manage my profile other than link and item dumps in notes and 3 blogs to point people to about claws so I don’t have to keep writing out the same shit.
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Quote (Ukon @ Feb 13 2020 04:01pm)
Just because an item rolls with high stats, doesn’t make it trophy room or useful.

It’s the combiNfion or high stats and useful stats.

These boots rolled with high base crafted stats, and 3/4 Of the best affixes possible.

Depending on the use case, you would swap mana for lightning res for fpk boots or swap fire Res for more life rep

Or if you are hyper concerned about wsg and Fire Res, aldurs boots would be better for the life 50 Life and Fire Res, along with damage taken goes to mana and 40frw.


These boots just aren’t BiS stat combinations for literally anything. Yes they rolled with high stats and a near perfect overall roll. But that doesn’t make an item inherently good.


I can't agree on this. You have no clue about his build or what other shoes he has. If he has same or nearly the same pair with light res, why shouldn't this boots be top?

And to your aldurs example... rly? u compare aldurs to those boots? no fhr, no repl, no mana...
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Quote (pingpong17 @ 13 Feb 2020 16:28)
I can't agree on this. You have no clue about his build or what other shoes he has. If he has same or nearly the same pair with light res, why shouldn't this boots be top?

And to your aldurs example... rly? u compare aldurs to those boots? no fhr, no repl, no mana...


he is obviously on a live rage brain explosing theorycrafting bullshit momement xd happend in few threads too before lel
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Quote (patalo @ Feb 13 2020 10:31am)
he is obviously on a live rage brain explosing theorycrafting bullshit momement xd happend in few threads too before lel



30frw
10fhr
20life
15 rep
40 mana
Is better than boots listed for ES sorc. . Or a pair with slightly less than perfect stats


30frw
10fhr
20 life
10 rep
40fire
40 lite
Better in fpk

The whole point is, the mana and Fire Res roll don’t work well together. You would need to swap one of those prefixes for a different prefix to have. BiS boot combiNfion.


I’m not saying these boots are useless or not usable. I’m simply saying they are not trophy, because they don’t have 4/4 affix rolls that go perfectly with each other.

I guess my definition of trophy room is different than others.

It’s a trophy to me when it has the best possible stat combination along with almost perfect numerical rolls, especially when it comes to items without staff mods or only needing 4/4 affix rolls, compared to rares.

This post was edited by Ukon on Feb 13 2020 09:38am
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Quote (Ukon @ 13 Feb 2020 16:36)
30frw
10fhr
20life
15 rep
40 mana
Is better than boots listed for ES sorc. . Or a pair with slightly less than perfect stats


30frw
10fhr
20 life
10 rep
40fire
40 lite
Better in fpk

The whole point is, the mana and Fire Res roll don’t work well together. You would need to swap one of those prefixes for a different prefix to have. BiS boot combiNfion.


I’m not saying these boots are useless or not usable. I’m simply saying they are not trophy, because they don’t have 4/4 affix rolls that go perfectly with each other.


keke but following your theorycrafting, those fpk boots are also no trophy
you'd want 30-10-15-20-40fire and 30-10-15-20-40light

This post was edited by J33 on Feb 13 2020 09:39am
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Quote (Ukon @ 13 Feb 2020 16:36)
30frw
10fhr
20life
15 rep
40 mana
Is better than boots listed for ES sorc. . Or a pair with slightly less than perfect stats


30frw
10fhr
20 life
10 rep
40fire
40 lite
Better in fpk

The whole point is, the mana and Fire Res roll don’t work well together. You would need to swap one of those prefixes for a different prefix to have. BiS boot combiNfion.


I’m not saying these boots are useless or not usable. I’m simply saying they are not trophy, because they don’t have 4/4 affix rolls that go perfectly with each other.

I guess my definition of trophy room is different than others.

It’s a trophy to me when it has the best possible stat combination along with almost perfect numerical rolls, especially when it comes to items without staff mods or only needing 4/4 affix rolls, compared to rares.


this boots need the fire res u miss from spirit on 95es

please dont tell me to use aldurs or 08 boots on 95es neither some non str bugable / non boable inc x% mana boots instead
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Feb 13 2020 09:48am
You could theorically make a rare with 6/6 perrect rolls, but the item be completely unusable.

Perfect rolls don’t make an item a trophy.

What makes an item a trophy is high or near perfect rolls with the best affix combinations.

I guess there is an inherent difference in classification here.

If you want to think an item with near perfect stats with 3/4 affix rolls working well together and 1/4 affixes being a usable affix, but not best affix, makes a trophy item, then you are allowed to have that opinion.

I don’t hold the same standard as you, and that’s ok. I’m all for having a debate. However, I have tried to ask, why you guys think Fire Res > more Rep. the only thing I get is because you are a fucking idiot or these boots are awesome.

There has been no analytical discissuon into why you believe thee would be better. Only emotional retorts to try to bash someone into submission.

Please change my mind as to why these are better than:
30frw
10fhr
15 rep
20 life
40 mana boots

For ES sorc. And if you can make a logical argument as to why, then I’ll gladly recogonze that these should be in the trophy room. But I have yet to see any argument that accomplished that.

I’m am by no means the encyclopedia for sorc builds, however, I do have an above average base line. And I am always more than willing to learn from someone who knows better than
Me.

But if your arguments are based in emotion, than an analytical debate is never going to go anywhere.
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Feb 13 2020 09:49am
Quote (Ukon @ Feb 13 2020 04:48pm)
You could theorically make a rare with 6/6 perrect rolls, but the item be completely unusable.

Perfect rolls don’t make an item a trophy.

What makes an item a trophy is high or near perfect rolls with the best affix combinations.

I guess there is an inherent difference in classification here.

If you want to think an item with near perfect stats with 3/4 affix rolls working well together and 1/4 affixes being a usable affix, but not best affix, makes a trophy item, then you are allowed to have that opinion.

I don’t hold the same standard as you, and that’s ok. I’m all for having a debate. However, I have tried to ask, why you guys think Fire Res > more Rep. the only thing I get is because you are a fucking idiot or these boots are awesome.

There has been no analytical discissuon into why you believe thee would be better. Only emotional retorts to try to bash someone into submission.

Please change my mind as to why these are better than:
30frw
10fhr
15 rep
20 life
40 mana boots

For ES sorc. And if you can make a logical argument as to why, then I’ll gladly recogonze that these should be in the trophy room. But I have yet to see any argument that accomplished that.

I’m am by no means the encyclopedia for sorc builds, however, I do have an above average base line. And I am always more than willing to learn from someone who knows better than
Me.

But if your arguments are based in emotion, than an analytical debate is never going to go anywhere.


lmao. you won't ever stop i guess until we say:

ye ukon, you're right, keep it up like that.
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