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Jul 19 2017 11:05pm
Quote (Mewi @ Jul 20 2017 02:56am)
amp and dense are two different types of affixes.

My preferred jav would be

2 Jav
Pre
2 Ama
300 Ed
150 Ed
Suf
Knockback
Propogation
Quickness

( For matri )


most use kB on gloves so it would be wasted on Javas isnt it ?

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Jul 19 2017 11:31pm
Quote (EcHsE1337 @ Jul 20 2017 12:05am)
most use kB on gloves so it would be wasted on Javas isnt it ?


SOOPER kb dontcha know
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Quote (EcHsE1337 @ Jul 20 2017 01:05am)
most use kB on gloves so it would be wasted on Javas isnt it ?


It's clear he's just looking for a way to make this item seem not as good as it is.
In reality it would probably knock his head clean off irl.
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Jul 20 2017 12:42am
Quote (Mewi @ Jul 20 2017 01:07am)
The point is damage averages and max damage output probability factors. Of course having an inability to comprehend nuance would impact your ability to embrace common sense.

"No need to explain" , actually, I'd like you to explain. Because I don't think you understand zons the way you are attempting portray your knowledge. So please, enlighten us, what are you to lazy to explain?

Also, don't underestimate a properly built dexazon :3



The proper term is automod.



No? Increased quantity would be a wasted mod. My suggestion to zon players who think this is a worthy mod is, go back to the drawing tables, you are wasting to much time and energy spamming attacks and not spending enough time, timing your attacks and improving your aim.



+2 jav is an automod and does not impact this jav's base magic affixes.



Matri:
More avg dmg
Can maintain max ias bp on 120/45 setup even with 10% slow
Can use rare diadem and still maintain max bp

Stygian:
Less avg dmg
Crap min dmg
Can only be used on 120/45 setup
Drop ias bp when u get slowed

Dexzon ? Whete u live in 90s? And theres not properly build dexzon. Theres vita and vita


About inc stack ofc its wasted mod for u , probably havent ever played or build a zon beside single player

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Jul 20 2017 01:33am
Quote (stelol @ 20 Jul 2017 07:42)
Matri:
More avg dmg
Can maintain max ias bp on 120/45 setup even with 10% slow
Can use rare diadem and still maintain max bp

Stygian:
Less avg dmg
Crap min dmg
Can only be used on 120/45 setup
Drop ias bp when u get slowed

Dexzon ? Whete u live in 90s? And theres not properly build dexzon. Theres vita and vita


About inc stack ofc its wasted mod for u , probably havent ever played or build a zon beside single player


savage :rofl:
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Stack arach/bb slow is the only reason to use matris over stygians.
120/45> rare any day, atleast for eu unless for lame psn hybs (atleast for me)

I dislike pure glass cannon builds but add few extra points after reach comfortable life isn't bad idea at all.
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Quote (Prusias @ Jul 18 2017 11:57pm)
A comparable Stygian has a min max of 169-612
Avg= 390.5

These with the min max of 285-543
Avg = 414

I'm happy with matri javs.


styg gets .75 dex and .75 str dmg stat bonus

matri gets .5 dex and .8 str dmg stat bonus

so you'd have to consider that

the max dmg on styg and better state bonus makes styg better imo

no less than 10/10 though
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Jul 20 2017 06:44am
Quote (Obstacle1 @ Jul 20 2017 02:53pm)
styg gets .75 dex and .75 str dmg stat bonus

matri gets .5 dex and .8 str dmg stat bonus

so you'd have to consider that

the max dmg on styg and better state bonus makes styg better imo

no less than 10/10 though


consider an average bowzon have ~225 dex & 133 str lmk how stygian can beat matri (u get ~50% more ed from str/dex and i dont even count that matri has more avg dmg than stygian)
and also lmk how u stack ias vs arach/bb with stygian.




This post was edited by stelol on Jul 20 2017 06:49am
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Quote (stelol @ Jul 20 2017 12:44pm)
consider an average bowzon have ~225 dex & 133 str lmk how stygian can beat matri (u get ~50% more ed from str/dex and i dont even count that matri has more avg dmg than stygian)
and also lmk how u stack ias vs arach/bb with stygian.


What??????

225*.75+133*.75 = 268.5

225*.5+133*.8=218.9

268.5-218.9 = 49.6

with 225 dex and 133 str the stat dmg bonus will give 49.6% more ed with styg

so it's styg that gives the 50% ed not matri :wacko:

and not everyone builds a zon like that, some people go with even more dex which would mean even more ed...

as for the ias, sure ok, but slow is bm

all I said was that he also should consider the stat dmg bonus

I wasn't giving an argument as to why one jav is better than the other

I merely stated that I myself prefer one over the other (notice how I wrote imo), not that it's necessarily better k ty

It's called a preference not fact ok euro man

This post was edited by Obstacle1 on Jul 20 2017 08:08am
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Quote (Obstacle1 @ Jul 20 2017 04:49pm)
What??????

225*.75+133*.75 = 268.5

225*.5+133*.8=218.9

268.5-218.9 = 49.6

with 225 dex and 133 str the stat dmg bonus will give 49.6% more ed with styg

so it's styg that gives the 50% ed not matri :wacko:

and not everyone builds a zon like that, some people go with even more dex which would mean even more ed...

as for the ias, sure ok, but slow is bm

all I said was that he also should consider the stat dmg bonus

I wasn't giving an argument as to why one jav is better than the other

I merely stated that I myself prefer one over the other (notice how I wrote imo), not that it's necessarily better k ty

It's called a preference not fact ok euro man


i said that alrdy with stygian u get ~50% more ED but wasnt so clear on how i write it yes erglish not my 1st language ( less than that if u caltulate also that matri has more avg dmg in general that stygian)

slow from arach & bug belt isnt BM and in my realm u face one or the other period.

About dex:
With 25x 5frw scs (rest 322s torch anni cube etc) and perfect gear (yes i have em all) on lvl99 zon after u stat enough to get str for SS & dex max block etc you are going to end with ~2170 life . So stat more dex is not so realistic unless you gonna use more 322s in order to maintain 2k+ life

So to give an end why matri is better than stygian

You can stack slow vs arach/bb ( higher bp = more hits/sec = more dmg)
You have the choice to play as pure bowa with 120/45 or hybrid with plague and rare diadem and still reach 95ias bp
You have higher min damage

This post was edited by stelol on Jul 20 2017 08:44am
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