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Nov 5 2017 04:55am
Quote (laztheripper @ Nov 5 2017 01:44am)
Even if we assume you did your math right, 500 more avg damage is 11.4% more overall avg damage. Not only that, these matris aren't perfect damage, mine are much closer to it, so the margin is probably more like 15%. I'll take 15% more damage over 200psn damage + 1% dodge chance any day of the week. And with my zva on bnet I was doing a little over 9k physical damage top end on with the stygians. I think I have pics somewhere too, and she wasn't dex, she had max block and that's it.

Mewi gets it, few do. Stick to the cookie cutter builds in the stickies if you want, your loss.
Agreed plague jav is good, but it's mostly for es sorcs and to take down a 1k life/6k es sorc you won't need many points in plague jav.
Also, he crossed out some skills because they can't spawn on the stygians, class specific item only.


that 500 more avg damage isnt anything special after pvp penalty , and +2 ama isnt just +1 dodge chance :)

also yeah if your talking about jespers guide yeah i would trust him anyway since he was way better than any of us sorry
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Nov 5 2017 05:55am
Quote (stelol @ Nov 5 2017 06:55am)
that 500 more avg damage isnt anything special after pvp penalty , and +2 ama isnt just +1 dodge chance :)

also yeah if your talking about jespers guide yeah i would trust him anyway since he was way better than any of us sorry


it remains 15% of your damage, pvp penalty is irrelevant... it's a ratio. why even get good gear if you're literally throwing away 15% of your damage and for what? +2 ama does what for you? oh right, 2 to jab that is never used, 2 to lf that adds useless light damage, 2 to plague jav that is already overkill for those ES sorcs, 1% crit chance if you're not too far into diminishing returns, 1% dodge and an extra 50 life on your valk. Wow amazing, am I missing something?

at that point you could swap out most of your invo with skiller 7frw gcs and you'd end up with more skills and the same damage as those matris. That's how much of a non argument this is.
you max crit chance don't you? damage is important isn't it? Take points off of crit chance until you lose a total of 500 avg damage, should be about a dozen. Now tell me, do you prefer having that 12 points in crit or scattered around all those secondary skills ?
Same thang.


also, the build you're referring to wasn't made to be pushed to the extreme. it was made for people to get into making a zva fast and easy. ofc you won't require 400+ eth rep 40ias stygians. instead, maybe look for a faster base like matri or hyperion, then you can aim lower (20ias).
people just read that and think it's like the only valid zon build, it's not. True oldschool zons on east (mostly) have elaborated on many different builds that arguably did better than jester's in many situations and fit different playstyles.
This matri or bust mentality though, lol. Stick to something someone else thought up for you (if you don't want to actually look into it).

This post was edited by laztheripper on Nov 5 2017 06:12am
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Nov 5 2017 06:01am
Quote (laztheripper @ Nov 5 2017 02:55pm)
it remains 15% of your damage, pvp penalty is irrelevant... it's a ratio. why even get good gear if you're literally throwing away 15% of your damage and for what? +2 ama does what for you? oh right, 2 to jab that is never used, 2 to lf that adds useless light damage, 2 to plague jav that is already overkill for those ES sorcs, 1% crit chance if you're not too far into diminishing returns, 1% dodge and an extra 50 life on your valk. Wow amazing.

at that point you could swap out most of your invo with skiller 7frw gcs and you'd end up with more skills and the same damage as those matris. That's how much of a non argument this is.


+2 free passives means i can go plague and maintain same passive/skills like you while i have 30k plague on top.
If you dont like plague i understand but dont tell me its not a good trade
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Nov 5 2017 06:15am
Quote (stelol @ Nov 5 2017 08:01am)
+2 free passives means i can go plague and maintain same passive/skills like you while i have 30k plague on top.
If you dont like plague i understand but dont tell me its not a good trade


Added some to my other comment. I'll agree to disagree though
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Nov 5 2017 06:22am
Quote (laztheripper @ Nov 5 2017 03:15pm)
Added some to my other comment. I'll agree to disagree though


anyway mate , in the end one or the other will do the work more than enough .. keep arguing which is best make no sence :P have a nice day
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Quote (stelol @ Nov 5 2017 08:22am)
anyway mate , in the end one or the other will do the work more than enough .. keep arguing which is best make no sence :P have a nice day


Don't listen to him.

He's full of his own shit and doesn't even realize it which is sad. 😂😂😂
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Quote (Melatonina @ Oct 20 2017 04:16pm)
You prefer +5% dmg vs triple dmg against 50 dr chars .. no wonder you don't have the best javs bro lmao

theses aren't mine btw stop pm me about it guys


5% chance to land amp who last a short period vs 300ish cs dmg, 3kish plague dmg? Depends on build. Even though a 2/2/40/450/5%/repl/eth is possible, but people have already drained their wallet on a char only usefull for melee vs melee.
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Nov 8 2017 01:05am
Blood skewer is definitely 10/10 but other one is like 9/10 since poison res
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Quote (gel87 @ Nov 7 2017 08:48pm)
5% chance to land amp who last a short period vs 300ish cs dmg, 3kish plague dmg? Depends on build. Even though a 2/2/40/450/5%/repl/eth is possible, but people have already drained their wallet on a char only usefull for melee vs melee.


Yes, amp is far far superior. have you already played pvp ? amp kills a lot especially in TVT. +3 dmg won't get you much more kills
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