Quote (Koston @ Feb 14 2024 06:02pm)

you've been proven wrong in other threads, and you continue to be proven wrong, and when you are, you silently disappear and pop up again somewhere later to start all over again. it's nuts.

when i test stuff, i do duels in game. can't do 1000s but i do as many as i can, whether it ranges from 50-100, to at least try and give a good idea. this is definitely not the same as "eyeballing" or playing some guessing game. i go by win/loss records and testing in game repeatedly. (this is far more than you can say, considering you haven't touched d2r.) wolf druid's defense, because you're talking about sub 3k, doesn't matter. if you add 100-200 defense or whatever it is from cerebus, you're not doing anything to help yourself. some druids go for high defense builds, including myself, and they used a perfect upgraded 714 defense Jalal. when that happens, cerebus is out of the equation. i, too, would go for an eth upped Jalal and SA fort if i thought defense was a significant factor in determining my duels as a wolf druid.

open wounds doesn't do anything, because the duels end too quick for it to have any effect. i'm not teleporting and flying around the screen in fpk duels for ~10 minutes. these duels last mere seconds. it is, as you have said, click and hold duels and they are over in the blink of an eye.

want to meet in game and test? we'll see how useful cerebus' 140% enhanced defense and 33% OW is. since you seem so sure, you won't have a problem meeting up to prove your point, or at least provide some solid math/evidence.

Quote (mxracer89 @ Feb 14 2024 06:06pm)

Yeah 200 more defense is super good when you don't have a skill like shout, iron skin, or holy shield to boost it :bonk:

Quote (Koston @ Feb 14 2024 06:07pm)

i'm glad that you finally admitted the pelt has advantages, and as i clearly demonstrated above with solid numbers and math from actually going in game and looking at real stats, i think we're finally on the same page. the character screen is taking account extra ED from an extra point to fury and the minimum damage from the jewels. i agree that the character screen is inaccurate, but it's not inaccurate on every metric, and you know that.

even in the insane chance that OW did a little something here, a little something there, or that an extra ~150 defense was somehow helping a wolf druid (who has never cared about defense, dating back to LOD, for a reason), i'd STILL prefer even just this pelt's +300 life over cerebus. you're proving nothing by saying, "ok well maybe the pelt beats cerebus on life, AR, and damage, but it doesn't beat it on DEFENSE AND OPEN WOUNDS." like, sorry, but WHAT, SIR?


"The 140ed outweighs the life gain in terms of effective life." LMFAO, ukon, cut it out and stop. no it doesn't, and until you provide me with solid testing (i'd accept 50-100 duels and see how that goes) or numbers, just cut your crap, dude. defense doesn't scale for crap on a druid, it's never mattered in LOD, and it certainly doesn't matter now. life, however, is significant, and +100 life can determine an entire duel.

Quote (Bui6Pays40Percent4Wins @ Feb 14 2024 04:09pm)

50-100 duels that you eyeball and people are swapping setups is not nearly enough data points for an accurate statistical analysis. Which is all melee duels are is math. You need 1000s of duels using the same setup vs another setup to have enoguh data points with all the variables that are involved with melee to say 1 is better than the other. Which is why you have to revert to math.

Yet again, 1 FT5 will literal prove nothing.

All you gotta do, like I have said 100 times, is give the exact items you are wearing, and the math is easily done. Melee is just math.

I’ve also never been proven wrong. :)

Quote (Koston @ Feb 14 2024 06:22pm)

you've never been proven wrong because you never provide anything concrete/solid to refute, lmfao. it's impossible to prove you wrong because you won't get on the game and provide any evidence for what you're saying, and while i can't provide foolproof evidence to the contrary, me and the tens of other wolf druids across thousands of duels have at least provided something, and no one has ever refuted any of it with any evidence of their own.

"god is real, i've never been proven wrong" ah yeah, well you can't provide evidence for it, so i guess i can't prove you wrong. but it doesn't mean you're right, either. just means you're spewing stuff out your arse.

Quote (Bui6Pays40Percent4Wins @ Feb 14 2024 04:28pm)

You just need numbers for melee. It’s just an equation.

Yet again, doing 1, 5 , 10 , 100 duels of 1 setup vs another isn’t a large enough sample size to say one is better than another due to the spread of variables happening within the melee equation.

Which is why you should be relying on a mathematical analysis.
Not looking at the LCS

Durr de durr

Cerb > this

Quote (Koston @ Feb 14 2024 06:31pm)

anyone here that says the 150 defense gained from wearing a cerebus outweighs ~300 life is a n00b, there is nothing more to be said here. if melee is just an equation, please do it and plug this pelt's numbers in with a standard build, vs. cerebus with any one jewel of your choice, show evidence of what you are saying, and i'll gladly take a look. if you post here again without doing this, i'll assume you're just attention seeking on a forum dedicated to a video game that you haven't played in years

Quote (Bui6Pays40Percent4Wins @ Feb 14 2024 04:33pm)

Yet again, post your gear

Quote (Koston @ Feb 14 2024 06:34pm)

plug in the numbers for a standard build ffs, you're mr. know it all. you can't plug in fort, edc, angelics, stormshield, gores, dungos, ravens?

Quote (Bui6Pays40Percent4Wins @ Feb 14 2024 04:39pm)

Just like everything else, it depends on your gear.

Your weapon, your rings, your inventory etc etc etc etc

And here we are again, I say post your gear. You say prove you wrong. I say post your gear. You say prove you wrong. I say post your gear. You dodge. You dodge. Dodge dodge dodge.

The cycle continues.

Cerb > this

Quote (Koston @ Feb 14 2024 06:48pm)

sir, don't talk about dodging. ^Leicalized has offered to give you a level 99 zealot multiple times to test any of your bogus zealot-related claims and you disappeared. people have asked you for the math to prove me wrong about ED + minimum damage jewels, you disappeared. i don't have to supply you with anything with your superior d2r knowledge. let me know when you're ready to stop dodging and provide evidence for anything that you have said here! still waiting :)