d2jsp
Log InRegister
d2jsp Forums > Diablo II > Diablo 2 Discussion > The Trophy Room > Damage
Prev13456712Next
Add Reply New Topic New Poll
Member
Posts: 6,823
Joined: Jun 17 2005
Gold: 25.00
Nov 28 2018 07:30am
Quote (J33 @ Nov 28 2018 01:36am)
you can't block when you shoot, you can when you throw...
1/20 is a real pain on this one imo, 8/10




there's a similar to this on eu nl with 44x ed, at least there was 1,5 year ago dno if it still is around... with 1/10
/e nvm that was balrog spear i believe


Balrog is a bit slow for the job. The usual argument about rep base, if you are throwing that much it wouldn't matter how much replenish you had. You'd simply run out anyway, and if you are throwing that much... you are probably trying to hit a target at a distance with short range throw skills. This is why Amazon hybrids bother being hybrids with that bowside, the range and the guided benefit. While you can throw just hoping to hit a target off screen ( seriously just use your bow ), I would definitely recommend you use jav throw for targets you can visually see on your screen.
Member
Posts: 75,914
Joined: Oct 30 2007
Gold: 55,735.00
Nov 28 2018 08:23am
Quote (Mewi @ 28 Nov 2018 14:30)
Balrog is a bit slow for the job. The usual argument about rep base, if you are throwing that much it wouldn't matter how much replenish you had. You'd simply run out anyway, and if you are throwing that much... you are probably trying to hit a target at a distance with short range throw skills. This is why Amazon hybrids bother being hybrids with that bowside, the range and the guided benefit. While you can throw just hoping to hit a target off screen ( seriously just use your bow ), I would definitely recommend you use jav throw for targets you can visually see on your screen.


yeah balrog is too slow...

i mostly agree but imo your logic isn't flawless here.. you think that because i want faster replenish, i probably throw on offscreen targets?
there's opponents you wanna nuke with javelins. Barbs for instance, or a charger/smiter (i wouldn't want to be caught with a bow in my hands by those desynching bastards)..
a ft5 vs an mb + lightstacked barb could cost you a lot of javelins and that's where it'd hurt. waiting in between is a good option, but with these you'd have to wait twice as long while it's already a pain to wait.

i'm not saying these javelins aren't insane tho, they definitely are!

Quote (Obstacle1 @ 28 Nov 2018 15:28)
Yes... we all know this lol. Still doesn't mean you need to be throwing enough javs that all you can worry about is the rep rate. Play smart and you don't have to worry about rep rate. Didn't any of you play the old resident evil games where you gotta conserve ammo? Lol jk but seriously do you euro guys just spam fury on your bowazons

e/ Yes, 1/20 sucks, but it's literally the only thing you can say against these javs and it's not as big of a deal as some of you guys are making it. Can't have a trophy room thread without euros turning it into a theory crafting thread I guess lol


yeah still you have to state out the obvious to some
you're right, maybe the 8/10 is a little low due to the perfect stats... but as you say 1/20 sucks... an item with a stat that sucks can't get a 10 right? or does that work differently in america?
but theory crafting? nah you could even get them custom made

This post was edited by J33 on Nov 28 2018 08:38am
Member
Posts: 12,600
Joined: Feb 16 2009
Gold: 1,319.00
Nov 28 2018 08:28am
Quote (J33 @ Nov 28 2018 06:36am)
you can't block when you shoot, you can when you throw...


Yes... we all know this lol. Still doesn't mean you need to be throwing enough javs that all you can worry about is the rep rate. Play smart and you don't have to worry about rep rate. Didn't any of you play the old resident evil games where you gotta conserve ammo? Lol jk but seriously do you euro guys just spam fury on your bowazons

e/ Yes, 1/20 sucks, but it's literally the only thing you can say against these javs and it's not as big of a deal as some of you guys are making it. Can't have a trophy room thread without euros turning it into a theory crafting thread I guess lol

This post was edited by Obstacle1 on Nov 28 2018 08:30am
Member
Posts: 62,135
Joined: Jun 14 2008
Gold: 0.00
Warn: 100%
Nov 28 2018 08:42am
Quote (J33 @ 28 Nov 2018 15:23)
yeah balrog is too slow...

i mostly agree but imo your logic isn't flawless here.. you think that because i want faster replenish, i probably throw on offscreen targets?
there's opponents you wanna nuke with javelins. Barbs for instance, or a charger/smiter (i wouldn't want to be caught with a bow in my hands by those desynching bastards)..
a ft5 vs an mb + lightstacked barb could cost you a lot of javelins and that's where it'd hurt. waiting in between is a good option, but with these you'd have to wait twice as long while it's already a pain to wait.

i'm not saying these javelins aren't insane tho, they definitely are!



yeah still you have to state out the obvious to some
you're right, maybe the 8/10 is a little low due to the perfect stats... but as you say 1/20 sucks... an item with a stat that sucks can't get a 10 right? or does that work differently in america?
but theory crafting? nah you could even get them custom made


dont argue with open bnet trolls
Member
Posts: 6,823
Joined: Jun 17 2005
Gold: 25.00
Nov 28 2018 10:02am
The jealousy is real with this one :3 Maybe Fek should ask to see them in game? But Fek wont do that, that would collapse his house of cards when he sees them in a trade window... and then he wouldn't be able to project his inner rage onto everyone else anymore. QQ
Member
Posts: 50,832
Joined: Jan 20 2010
Gold: 5,846.00
Nov 28 2018 10:14am
Quote (Mewi @ Nov 28 2018 10:02am)
The jealousy is real with this one :3 Maybe Fek should ask to see them in game? But Fek wont do that, that would collapse his house of cards when he sees them in a trade window... and then he wouldn't be able to project his inner rage onto everyone else anymore. QQ


I've seen 2 copies of the same godly donk circlet in a closed bnet trade window with cold resist swapped for light resist and all other affix/name/etc kept identical. Importing was a thing.
That said, I would hope this is real because if anyone was going to bother to import muh 450/40/20 max eth rep javas, they could at least have bothered to do them as +4 mats so they could be used on a zon build that doesn't suck.
/e and put knockback on them, pls

This post was edited by Goomshill on Nov 28 2018 10:15am
Member
Posts: 2,921
Joined: Apr 9 2013
Gold: 314.00
Nov 28 2018 11:22am
TRUCK STICK
Member
Posts: 75,510
Joined: Nov 3 2007
Gold: 0.00
Nov 28 2018 11:47am
gz 10!
Member
Posts: 6,823
Joined: Jun 17 2005
Gold: 25.00
Nov 28 2018 11:48am
Quote (Goomshill @ Nov 28 2018 11:14am)
I've seen 2 copies of the same godly donk circlet in a closed bnet trade window with cold resist swapped for light resist and all other affix/name/etc kept identical. Importing was a thing.
That said, I would hope this is real because if anyone was going to bother to import muh 450/40/20 max eth rep javas, they could at least have bothered to do them as +4 mats so they could be used on a zon build that doesn't suck.
/e and put knockback on them, pls


Negative, knockback for most zons that would wield these javs, have knockback through gloves. IASwise there is no reason to choose matriarchal over these if you are a run/walk style hybrid zon. Also the +4 skills is only relevant for Amazon's using CS/Plague. +2 Ama would only be good for retaining passive percentages on switch javside in tandem with Faith +2ama skills.
Member
Posts: 50,832
Joined: Jan 20 2010
Gold: 5,846.00
Nov 28 2018 11:55am
Quote (Mewi @ Nov 28 2018 11:48am)
Negative, knockback for most zons that would wield these javs, have knockback through gloves. IASwise there is no reason to choose matriarchal over these if you are a run/walk style hybrid zon. Also the +4 skills is only relevant for Amazon's using CS/Plague. +2 Ama would only be good for retaining passive percentages on switch javside in tandem with Faith +2ama skills.


kb through gloves means you can't use trangs, which is a big deal with plague and teleport, albeit sacrificing kb on ga, so its still situational for matchups even then. Not using cs/fury/plague means the zon is crab/10
Go Back To The Trophy Room Topic List
Prev13456712Next
Add Reply New Topic New Poll