Quote (reyrol @ Apr 26 2016 07:43am)

lol #2 ofc

thats the one i had and changed it for my current of course so that id own TheBest lol^^.

You keep saying you like dflight over the years but dragonflight its simply useless against anything that is not a pub shitty dueler incapable of wsging / cting + its usually the only thing that does is make you freeze and take damage / kill you. Ive tested it now and then, last time when i owned that claw^^ and always with same result The better dueler one is and the better your oponent, there more retarded dragonflight becomes, and im serious. In theory its a nice aa skill, in practise it hits very few times, in actual duels it makes you take much more damage than you deal and tele > ww tele > dc is inmensely more effective / faster ... all you need is fat aiming...



7fhr 9dex 10@ -15req this is the jewel of course. I use this claw on a fpk Dragonclaw trapper, therefore i prefer autowsmbug for wsging and increasing my life/mana via scs / requirements plus 25%ow is too oP and Pu$$y it only makes my oponents deffwohre like hell i prefer not to use it but sure its the socket of choice for a wwsin as ww cant be countered.

Nowadays claw base doesnt matter because you just have to pick the base you want with the stats roll you want lol. I reach max Dragonclaw speed faded wsmbuged with warfist, not to say i stack shitloads of frames faded when hit by golem which allows me to keep playing tvt and not hide behind a rock ;)

Regardless runic > ferals overall for various reasons on a hyb/spider i reckon the dmg difference is negligible, like 9% physical which on top of ow/venom its like what, 5% ww dmg difference tops, much better to be able to swap helms for a ber a cham a jah a dmg jool or whatever. I even think griffon > valk for hyb then its obvius, Though, if you own valk/valks and dont tvt, aka the pub hybsin, then feral > runic all the way down Yes. Hit a golem with whirl and fade in a tvt, you can hide next thing or loose fade, ias stacking is never enough.

Quote (Azn Masta @ 26 Apr 2016 15:47)

Maybe I'm just a shitty pub dueler then who relys on Dflight to catch casters. But then again, what would that make most of east O.o

I will agree that for 102 fcr spiders Runic > Feral while on 65fcr hybrids with highlords, then Feral > Runic
I personally used a 102fcr spider with Runic/Warfist on D2PK

Quote (kroko89 @ Apr 26 2016 11:11am)

how u reached max trap speed there :o

Quote (M4ntis @ Apr 25 2016 10:05pm)

30 Ias is okay it you Use in your Helm a 15 Ias jool.
This claw is sick :drool:

But for hybrids i prefer runics Like mine, cause you Dont Need Ias at the rest of The gear

http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=68256463&f=103&o=0

Quote (Azn Masta @ 26 Apr 2016 15:47)

Maybe I'm just a shitty pub dueler then who relys on Dflight to catch casters. But then again, what would that make most of east O.o

I will agree that for 102 fcr spiders Runic > Feral while on 65fcr hybrids with highlords, then Feral > Runic
I personally used a 102fcr spider with Runic/Warfist on D2PK

Quote (kroko89 @ 26 Apr 2016 16:11)

how u reached max trap speed there :o

Quote (M4ntis @ 27 Apr 2016 03:56)

No engage reyrol, but df is one of the most discussed skills on sins and you have to decide by your own if it's useful for you and your play style.

But I have to agree with azn I tested it a lot and vs defensive casters I learned to love this skill.

Have a nice week guys

Quote (reyrol @ Apr 26 2016 11:45pm)

No engage but im pretty sure your pvp opinion is as grounded as Moxer"s

Theres no real discussion about Df really, only in s&g, cuz it sucks :-D

If he can put it to good use god for him, maybe he knows something i dont, but ive played with it and against it. And this skill"s effectiveness is 100% one-sided, and that side is the oponent. Its not about playstyle, theres no skill in clicking 'close to an oponent' whereas this skill is extremely easy to dodge. Theres no timing, no trick, no hotkey combo needed.

Its funny though that everyone agrees 102fcrs needed to chase pesky casters at 10frame teleports because 11frames is too slow yet a 15frame teleport with another 10/20frame freezing post action-flag that might hitcheck the oponent OR a minion randomly is a good skill.

I give around zero damns wethers the claw is best roll or not regardless.

Ill end now cuz this discussion has gone beyond useless, whoever likes df, gd, i like mindblast. Bladeshield would be sick

Quote (Azn Masta @ Apr 24 2016 07:53pm)

O wow, that claw exists?