-10 slow and boom you don't hit trap bp. Shit claw




Stop making me laugh. We all know you payed money.

This post was edited by BertieNana on Aug 3 2015 05:44am

ty hard work in pocket

e: penis

This post was edited by GMTennis on Aug 3 2015 05:56am

We have differing views on the fcr needed for an effective hybrid, as well as the overall usefulness of knockback.

7 fhr 30 ed 9 dex 30 lite res jewel? Be honest ^^



Still the most jealous assassin fanatic on east

This post was edited by Decarnate on Aug 3 2015 06:33am

well, to be honest, that socket is for a FPK DCtrapper with autowsmbug and max dragon claw ias faded

unless u think zodbuged chaos warfist exists

i didnt like kb cos i felt like it often kicked oponents out of claw range, but if u can make use of it, gd then

This post was edited by reyrol on Aug 3 2015 06:51am

Knockback

For when you can't triwhirl.

This post was edited by BertieNana on Aug 3 2015 06:47am

This Bertie kid follows us around lol

Says I spend money when I can just trade for stuff like this lol

Thanks for the hook up on this tho seep

This post was edited by JaredV on Aug 3 2015 07:03am

You didn't answer my question tho sir. The base ed % of the runic you posted is 263%?

Let's for a second just compare rolls vs effectiveness in combat. Jared's is clearly a good bit tougher to attain being much closer to perfection, especially if ^ about the dmg is correct.

Regarding combat, I would take your claw vs necros for sure 100% of the time. Vs most other opponents I would deem the damage (and Ows) quite valuable in comparison. Knockback can definitely be argued against, given its capacity to "ruin" triwhirls, but any good hybrid should always have maximum sentries already in place before engaging a ww attack, and tbh the stun created by the knockback animation will allow for far greater overall damage to be achieved due to the amount of LS damage the enemy will take while being knocked back.

Still I respect your opinion, and do enjoy a solid runic + warfist combo. After all its da fastest combo in da game ^^

This post was edited by Decarnate on Aug 3 2015 07:13am

the jool there is a 7fhr 9dex -15req 30lr, so its a 293% base. 30ed could be used instead of 7fhr, but for this DCtrap build i prefer the extra life vs all characters over the little extra dmg in one of the claws vs those chars against whom u can use dclaw, but thats another story. Jared's feral has 7.5% more average physical dmg over the runic, but the runic gives shitloads more trap speed, and therefore flexibility. 9fpa traps + slowstack bp (with chaos suwayah) is 34%ias for runic, so the claw alone hits it. Whereas u need 63ias for ferals. The ferals alone dont even hit max trap speed as the bp is 42, so at least 15ias jool or highlords would be needed, they wouldnt even if they were 40base ias.

I understand this claw is sick for 63fcr hybsin where u can have highlords and/or ias jools or even both. But if u wanna use 102fcr for example, even with valk you wont hit the slowstack ias bp with those claws (40base would be needed), not to say if u wanna have multiple socketed helms which should be griffons (ber, jah, lo, vex, 40/15, whatever).
One can argue about the use of 102fcr over 63, it might not be critical vs average duellers, but vs top pvp'ers the frame battle its not even about having an edge, but about wining or losing directly, its stun capability + stomp speed. Thats why i think runics outperform ferals, specially with 10 more native ias, and offers a huge gear flexibility at a very little cost of dmg.

Needless to say im not willing to showoff here or anything, just making my point, the same reasoning i made to people asking whats the ideal claw when they wanted to buy one. So Bottom line is, if if im gonna spend 50kfg on a claw and can choose the mods, id go for something slightlty different, like the one i posted. This wouldve been a 100/10 claw 3 years a go though

Nonetheless, i know pass-trhough whirls with knockback can deal shitloads of dmg as the guy gets kicked forward etc, but with modern pvp techniques and almost everyone knowing how wsg more or less, this will maybe hapen once, its so easy to wsg out of a linear whirl. Its also easy as fuck to wsg out of a weak triwirl like an hybsin's. In my experience, only triwirls cause selfsynch on the victim, thats when you can be REKT'd badly even by a hyb. But for that u need to cause fhr animations at a very high speed i.e lay traps very fast, support ur whirl with wof, or make a lot of dmg (ghost/barb). Same thing as when you kick a bowazone with a trapper and firestorm procs.

This post was edited by reyrol on Aug 3 2015 08:20am

It's 293ed
I have one of these in feral base

Holy essay! You definitely have good points regarding performance, but I still believe a well played hybrid should do just fine using 65 fcr, using high trap damage and defensive play as a crutch rather than using pure offense, the hybrid ideally brings opposition to him. This can often be attributed to open wounds which causes a sense of urgency and increases likelihood to make mistakes. What you imply seems far more relevant to a ghost, who HAS to be offensive and HAS to deal damage from stomps and the like.

All duel talk aside, Jared's is just plain prettier. 3 mindblast is just gorgeous, especially on a hybsin whom is hard pressed for skill points.