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Nov 10 2010 08:34pm
Quote (kataklysmus @ Nov 10 2010 09:43pm)
do the math and post the results  <_<


20% deadly strike does more damage than 40/15 max, everyone knows Lo is best for melee weapons with eth/rep. Unless you need to hit a specific ias bp. I'm not even going to count ohm seeing as that's like the 5th best option -_-

Your options are

Lo
Eth
40/15 ias (Only if you need to hit a certain ias bp)

These are the top choices and then everything else performs worse

This post was edited by Meatyy on Nov 10 2010 08:40pm
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20% deadly strike does more damage than 40/15 max, everyone knows Lo is best for melee weapons with eth/rep. Unless you need to hit a specific ias bp. I'm not even going to count ohm seeing as that's like the 5th best option -_-

Your options are

Lo
Eth
40/15 ias (Only if you need to hit a certain ias bp)

These are the top choices and then everything else performs worse


damn bro, why so noob?

icham for gg cold attack?
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Nov 10 2010 08:46pm
Quote (iffy1 @ Nov 10 2010 10:41pm)
damn bro, why so noob?

icham for gg cold attack?


Egads! I forgots about dat cham! Thanks for reminding me Bro ^_^
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Nov 10 2010 08:48pm
Quote (Meatyy @ 11 Nov 2010 03:34)
20% deadly strike does more damage than 40/15 max, everyone knows Lo is best for melee weapons with eth/rep. Unless you need to hit a specific ias bp. I'm not even going to count ohm seeing as that's like the 5th best option -_-

Your options are

Lo
Eth
40/15ias

These are the top choices and then everything else performs worse


no only if you had no other critical source
you got highlords + barb mastery (and usually gores) as critical source already, the Lo adds just 8.x% to the total dmg
40ed 15max / ohm would give you 10.x% to your total dmg

with gores you got almost 2% more dmg, without 1.5% compared to Lo
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Nov 10 2010 08:53pm
Quote (kataklysmus @ Nov 10 2010 10:48pm)
no only if you had no other critical source
you got highlords + barb mastery (and usually gores) as critical source already, the Lo adds just 8.x% to the total dmg
40ed 15max / ohm would give you 10.x% to your total dmg

with gores you got almost 2% more dmg, without 1.5% compared to Lo


highlords = 35% + 20% (Lo) + 15% (Gores) = 70% ds + w/e your cs chance from mastery is, should be close to 100% chance to get double damage, which is a good thing. If you honestly didn't need max ds (I have no idea why) then eth is a better option cause you will hit them more often. 40/15 max > ohm. Also 40/15 ias would be a better choice than 40/15 max or ohm because it would allow you to swap gear depending on the ias bp needed.

( Cham is #1 though ;) )

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highlords = 35% + 20% (Lo) + 15% (Gores) = 70% ds + w/e your cs chance from mastery is, should be close to 100% chance to get double damage, which is a good thing. If you honestly didn't need max ds (I have no idea why) then eth is a better option cause you will hit them more often. 40/15 max > ohm. Also 40/15 ias would be a better choice than 40/15 max or ohm because it would allow you to swap gear depending on the ias bp needed.

( Cham is #1 though ;) )



cs and ds dont sum up, the barb mastery reduces the total effect of Lo by 31% no matter how much ds u got
if you use a Lo you have a higher chance to double a lower dmg.

40ed 15max and ohm do exactly same avg dmg in this weapon

eth is a horrible choice since 1.10
-12.5% def with the +def skills of a barb/pally turns out in ~2% more hits
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Nov 10 2010 09:34pm
Quote (kataklysmus @ Nov 10 2010 11:19pm)
cs and ds dont sum up, the barb mastery reduces the total effect of Lo by 31% no matter how much ds u got
if you use a Lo you have a higher chance to double a lower dmg.

40ed 15max and ohm do exactly same avg dmg in this weapon

eth is a horrible choice since 1.10
-12.5% def with the +def skills of a barb/pally turns out in ~2% more hits


lol another disadvantage for barbs then, 2% more hits is alot for a zealot but I guess not as much for a barb, I guess 40/15 ma would be best, but idk about the barb mast + ds, why would it be such a negative thing?
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Nov 10 2010 09:56pm
Quote (Meatyy @ 11 Nov 2010 04:34)
lol another disadvantage for barbs then, 2% more hits is alot for a zealot but I guess not as much for a barb, I guess 40/15 ma would be best, but idk about the barb mast + ds, why would it be such a negative thing?


whenever a barb scores a crit via cs (usually 31%) he cant do a crit via ds anymore, so the Lo does just 13.8% instead of 20% ds

was talking about ~2% more total hits btw i.e. 2% more total dmg in the end for both zealer and barb
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Nov 10 2010 10:12pm
Quote (kataklysmus @ Nov 10 2010 10:56pm)
whenever a barb scores a crit via cs (usually 31%) he cant do a crit via ds anymore, so the Lo does just 13.8% instead of 20% ds

was talking about ~2% more total hits btw i.e. 2% more total dmg in the end for both zealer and barb


Hmm my understanding was that deadly strike and critical strike were separate from each other. With my setup i have 72% of a chance for a deadly strike and 31% chance for a critical strike. I didn't think that one or the other will hinder the effectiveness of each other. My understanding was that they are both the chance to do double damage. More chance to do double damage is always a good thing.

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Nov 10 2010 10:21pm
Quote (kataklysmus @ Nov 10 2010 09:19pm)
cs and ds dont sum up, the barb mastery reduces the total effect of Lo by 31% no matter how much ds u got
if you use a Lo you have a higher chance to double a lower dmg.

40ed 15max and ohm do exactly same avg dmg in this weapon

eth is a horrible choice since 1.10
-12.5% def with the +def skills of a barb/pally turns out in ~2% more hits


vouch eth being way overrated. people always rate that too high becausse they remember .09
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