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Jul 27 2022 02:56pm
Quote (Bui6Pays40Percent4Wins @ 27 Jul 2022 23:45)
So your idea is to use a significantly lower damage weapon so you can hit basically the same AR, but have 37% DS.

Double a low numbers doesnt add much


Ebotdz > this


You are missing another 20% DS from Lo and 25% more attacks from the ias. But it's probably nothing.

Try to actually read and understand what Koston said above you.
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Jul 27 2022 02:58pm
Quote (Koston @ 27 Jul 2022 22:05)
I have no idea what either person above me is trying to say but you CANNOT use Ebotdz vs. any zealots in gm melee duels as a wolf druid, it's been tried and failed multiple times in the past several months and wolf druids are now unable to beat zealots unless they have an eth repair fools weapon. The people posting here are not familiar with the updates to wolf druids or how they currently work in GM melee vs. paladins and misinformation will continue to spread as a result of that. Nothing you can do.

e/ Using EBOTDZ with Angelics is absolute crap - you're getting rid of Highlords and two melee rings and a jewel in your SS or helm to Cham it and sacrificing EVERYTHING to use an ebotdz on a character that will die to a good zealot before you can get the necessary number of hits off.

The 2 sock 40 ias 300 ed eth fools PB you describe is hypothetical, does not exist in D2R, and likely never will due to how consistently and strictly Blizzard is banning bots and the inevitably shorter lifespan of this game. All you are doing is comparing this weapon to a hypothetical item that will likely not exist in this game and I strongly disagree with that. My opinion is mine and yours is yours. If you continue to use hypothetical items that don't exist here and only existed in LoD as an import or 10 years of botting as the baseline to compare EVERYTHING TO, this item is crap. If you look at D2R as an independent entity from LoD that does not have the same exploits/hacks (i.e., imports) and the same degree of botting, this item is a trophy (at least for the GM melee community). You saying that this item is Charsi when it and others like it consistently go for 20k-25k is inherently incorrect - why are you telling someone to Charsi something that people find value in (up to 25k) that is USEFUL in gm melee duels? You think the people buying these are clueless losers unfamiliar with EBOTD? Tier1 who just bought a similar pb for 35k fg (https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=95899886&f=268&p=621717784#p621717784) has more melee knowledge than most people here combined, has probably 2 415 ED EBOTDs in different bases, does NOT spend fg frivolously, and still spent 35k on that pb. But I guess we are all wrong and you are right.

A good wolf druid is no longer too expensive to make. Go make one, equip a 414-415 ebotd, and go up against any of the top zealots on D2R - they're not hard to find, check out either of the two GM melee ladders in legit dueling subforum and PM them asking for a duel. I'm sure they'll be happy to absolutely destroy you with your EBOTD. You think people haven't tested this? I have a rare dagger that beats EBOTD in every way on paper and still doesn't come close to beating a well geared paladin.


Edit/ I'd like to clarify that EBOTD is still basically BiS for fury vs. fury and is extremely valuable in that scenario, but NOT for wolf druid vs. zeal where this fools PB would really shine.


You are playing the same game just in "new graphics"

And you ate trying to convince and fool people with this garbage story?
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Jul 27 2022 03:01pm
Quote (Hamm @ Jul 27 2022 01:58pm)
You are playing the same game just in "new graphics"

And you ate trying to convince and fool people with this garbage story?


I don't know what this post means or what message you're trying to convey. I posted accurate information derived from ~2ish months of testing with various weapons amongst multiple wolf druids, with much of the testing be done with both EBOTD in a zerk and war spike.

I'm done posting here because I'm getting the feeling that people here aren't actively dueling with or against wolf druids/zealots and therefore won't understand the utility or usefulness of this weapon. If the utility and usefulness are misunderstood, it is also impossible to determine its worth, value, and designation as a trophy or non-trophy. I respect everyone here but just disagree with what is being said, so I have nothing more to contribute. I do not agree that this is just LoD with "new graphics." It is an entirely different game, especially for wolf druids! Blizzard has changed the core mechanics of this game already in ways that no longer mirror LoD. A wolf druid in LoD could not pick this weapon up and have it be in 3 frames. A wolf druid in D2R can. LoD =/= D2R. And again, no imports, no consistent botting, none of the same exploits/hacks. Just not the same. See ya, all.

Quote (Bui6Pays40Percent4Wins @ Jul 27 2022 02:04pm)
I did understand. The damage is so low on PB that Deadly strike holds less value than it does for a high damage weapon.

Fanged knife / PB (less so PB due to fanged knife getting better ED% bonusss from str/Dex) was in legacy due to being able to hit the fastest frame.

With how fury works now, you can easily reach max frame with ebotdz


While you might hit less often due to lower AR, the average damage on an ebotdz is like 365. Not to mention 30 all stats and Eth rune reducing opponents defense by 12.5%.

Average damage on this PB is 210.

Meaning ebotdz does 75% more damage than PB. Not to mention it gets more value from DS than PB, since doubling a larger number adds more damage.


I have no issues with you whatsoever but saying that "you can easily reach max frame with ebotdz" is patently false and only proves that misinformation is being spread here. Ebotdz is not a 3 frame weapon in LoD, it is not a 3 frame weapon in D2R (even after the recent changes to IAS), and it never will be a 3 frame weapon unless you sacrifice your Fort and wear a Jeweler's Armor of the Whale and die instantly because your opponent has Chilling Armor and you don't. There is absolutely value in using a faster 3 frame fools weapon with significantly more AR and DS vs. a zealot. Until you get in pn/1 and start testing this like others have, it doesn't matter anyhow.

This post was edited by Koston on Jul 27 2022 03:07pm
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You are missing another 20% DS from Lo and 25% more attacks from the ias. But it's probably nothing.

Try to actually read and understand what Koston said above you.



I did understand. The damage is so low on PB that Deadly strike holds less value than it does for a high damage weapon.

Fanged knife / PB (less so PB due to fanged knife getting better ED% bonusss from str/Dex) was in legacy due to being able to hit the fastest frame.

With how fury works now, you can easily reach max frame with ebotdz


While you might hit less often due to lower AR, the average damage on an ebotdz is like 365. Not to mention 30 all stats and Eth rune reducing opponents defense by 12.5%.

Average damage on this PB is 210.

Meaning ebotdz does 75% more damage than PB. Not to mention it gets more value from DS than PB, since doubling a larger number adds more damage.



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Jul 27 2022 03:09pm
Needs atleast 6 sockets to be tjoffy
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Jul 27 2022 03:09pm
Quote (Koston @ 27 Jul 2022 23:01)
I don't know what this post means or what message you're trying to convey. I posted accurate information derived from ~2ish months of testing with various weapons amongst multiple wolf druids, with much of the testing be done with both EBOTD in a zerk and war spike.

I'm done posting here because I'm getting the feeling that people here aren't actively dueling with or against wolf druids/zealots and therefore won't understand the utility or usefulness of this weapon. If the utility and usefulness are understood, it is also impossible to determine its worth, value, and designation as a trophy or non-trophy. I respect everyone here but just disagree with what is being said, so I have nothing more to contribute.


When the fury Druid was able to beat Zealot in diablo2?
Even with best phase blade you showed i dueled and killed this druid with my zealot who has this phase blade.

So again, what are you trying to say to people in here?

You say that druid now kill full geared zealot with the garbage phase blade in the first post??



This post was edited by Hamm on Jul 27 2022 03:11pm
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Jul 27 2022 03:13pm
I'm done arguing actually.

I too killed all the wolf druids with my fancy imports on LoD!

This post was edited by Koston on Jul 27 2022 03:21pm
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Jul 27 2022 03:22pm
Quote (Hamm @ Jul 28 2022 12:09am)
When the fury Druid was able to beat Zealot in diablo2?
Even with best phase blade you showed i dueled and killed this druid with my zealot who has this phase blade.

So again, what are you trying to say to people in here?

You say that druid now kill full geared zealot with the garbage phase blade in the first post??


You are right.

Zeal should work better than all other melee classes.

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Jul 27 2022 03:25pm
Quote (Koston @ 27 Jul 2022 23:13)
What is wrong with you, dude? Like actually? I'm sure you killed all of the wolf druids in D2 LoD because it is not the same game as D2R. As in, you had your pretty like 2 socket eth/rep LoLo 300 ED 40 IAS berserker axe that would destroy any wolf druid on sight while wolf druids weren't competitive whatsoever. In D2R, that pretty little berserker axe does not exist, wolf druids have been buffed, and the best chance at killing a zealot is with a solid e rep fools weapon. Phase blade is not the best option due to its low damage as people here have repeatedly pointed out, but it's the best that D2R currently has (besides a freaking eth rep bone knife that exists on Ladder which is only slightly higher damage) and therefore it has great value and usefulness in GM melee duels. If we're not up against crazy imports because they don't exist and are impossible to spawn on this game, then more "average" e rep fools ("average" according to LoD standards) stand a good chance because what they are going up against isn't any better.


Ok finally we are in the right way.

1. No, wasnt berserker axe,
was Legendary Mallet as the best damage zealot weapon.
Who use Berserker axe is not zealot player. Its barbarian weapon base. Nothing can beat legendary mallet even seraph rod with zeal skills..

2. Yes so you said it yourself now about Furys.
You are talking about killing zealots who wear Ebotd zerkers or mediocre rare fools weapons.
So when the zealot find some Mallet/Seraph/Crescent/Baxe/ Devil Star, Ettin Axe
with the same stats like Phase blade in this post (ofc with repairs) it will be again unbeatable by Fury.

Fury will beat zealot only with 40/2sox version,
But again Zealot will beat this best phase blade when he get 40/2os mallet etc.

So its just Matter of time,
matter of Finding that f.king fools weapon and Zealot became unbeatable.


Throphy room is about that unbeatable stats rolled.
And so i would rate this phase blade 7/10 if it has atleast 40ias and 10/10 if also 2sox.
But now its just 5/10 rating item or worse because the phase blade base is garbage.

If you show me Mallet with stats like this completely same,
it will be 7/10 because that base means alot. Alot better than phase blade useless to all zealots and useless to fury too when zealot have same stats Mallet, or any other base if its not phaseblade, cryptic or flail shity dmg bases the lowest dmg ones.



And i want to add this,
you know it since your joindate but maybe i will open your eyes:


You can talk anything about Imports and Best rolled stats
rares in original diablo 2,

But when i see how many tousands of Bots are in D2r running from its release and some of the items showen in thia forums there is something different between diablo 2 and d2r.
In diablo 2 such items wasnt found or imbued in one year.

But in d2r its not even one year cause its not september,
but there are eth rep weapons and visions and 5bo visions and claws javs etc. Tousands bots and alot more people now know what items rares to collect and what to craft.
Tousands of players because are same players who played same game for 20+years already.

That means d2r game will be full of such items Alot Faster than original game wich will get you in the same Point as was in original game.
But you have to not forget that its not 2000 year anymore,
but its 2022 and d2r just came out, but this world is now changing from year to year faster than beforw, so in ~2030 will be completely new generation of game playing, some kind of virtual reality or so. And CDs diablo2 will be 30 years old collectory things. But d2r will be totally out, forgotten and deleted you will have next gen playing system and diablo game will be also virtual or next gen and d2r servers will be off same as original but you will have diablo2 CDs as collector thing but d2r will dismiss completely.

Take it as Nostradamus vision but its clearly to everyone.
So enjoy game playing its all just fun,

Just dont forget you already played this back in 1997 or 2000 and it will never come back. Its going next and next and faster alot faster everything.. so your d2r hype will end soon and it will not be 25 or 22 years last like the very dirst diablo games friend.

This post was edited by Hamm on Jul 27 2022 03:54pm
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Why are people posting garbage that don't even do melee in D2R. No one cares about your irrelevant opinions in a game you don't play, in a ladder you don't compete in.

You're all straight up spitting nonsense, stop trying to /r/iamverysmart on D2JSP lmao. Also, jesus buddy proofread your walls of text. No one is reading them anyway because they're so long but even when they try, they're incoherent drivel. Cut out 80% of the junk in your replies.

is right, you're all bad.

Feel free to reply to this and explain to me some more about how clueless you are, I won't be checking this dumpster fire again.
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