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Quote (Cransnam @ 5 Feb 2020 16:49)
U literally asked what are they doing there.


with a :rofl:

i was clearly not looking for a response ;p

Quote (Cransnam @ 5 Feb 2020 16:49)
And your advice is less ar wow. Thanks :) u got some gg build advice


my advice is, get some griffons, sell those useless 20/36 and get a crafted amu for 102setup.

also whilst u r at it, take off 6-7 shadow sks and put trap sks on, if u want ww dmg, put some 3/20/20 scs. u either build a hyb or u build a ghost with that chaos... ur ww dmg is crap for a ghost and ur trap dmg is crap for a hyb. choose one and focus on that.
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Feb 6 2020 12:15pm
Quote (luckspin @ Feb 6 2020 11:54am)
with a :rofl:

i was clearly not looking for a response ;p



my advice is, get some griffons, sell those useless 20/36 and get a crafted amu for 102setup.

also whilst u r at it, take off 6-7 shadow sks and put trap sks on, if u want ww dmg, put some 3/20/20 scs. u either build a hyb or u build a ghost with that chaos... ur ww dmg is crap for a ghost and ur trap dmg is crap for a hyb. choose one and focus on that.


Shadows give me 60% block and 50%dr with 1 point in fade and 1 point in weapon block. If i use griffs to reach 102 then im losing 16%dr not to mention ill have to cham the griffs and use fcr ring and at that point might as well be a trapper if im taking off highlords, which then i lose the 37%ds and the ias trap speed so ill have 102fcr and wont hit trap lay speed? Or if im changing to gta you’re basically saying build a trapper lol. Hybrids dont do same dmg as a ghost or same trap damage as a trapper they are middle ground hence term hybrid.
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Feb 6 2020 12:37pm
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10/10 i had same visio same name same stats in scnleu
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Feb 7 2020 10:15am
Quote (luckspin @ Feb 5 2020 11:44am)
U clearly didnt understand my point.

Ofc i know what u got them there for, all im saying is, its a bad choice :p

Also, a hybsin doesnt rly need more than 6-7k ar. U dont need the vis circ and u certainly dont need the scs :p unless u like getting bopped by hdins and smiters regardless of ur 12k ar.



Well this is just a lot of bad info

Quote (luckspin @ Feb 6 2020 12:54pm)
with a :rofl:

i was clearly not looking for a response ;p



my advice is, get some griffons, sell those useless 20/36 and get a crafted amu for 102setup.

also whilst u r at it, take off 6-7 shadow sks and put trap sks on, if u want ww dmg, put some 3/20/20 scs. u either build a hyb or u build a ghost with that chaos... ur ww dmg is crap for a ghost and ur trap dmg is crap for a hyb. choose one and focus on that.



And more bad info/advice

This post was edited by Ukon on Feb 7 2020 10:17am
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Feb 7 2020 11:59am
Quote (Ukon @ 7 Feb 2020 16:15)
Well this is just a lot of bad info




And more bad info/advice


As they say, realising u r in denial is half the battle.

Guy clearly mostly mfs with this char, lookin at his juvs and tp scrolls in the belt. And u guys r in eachothers friends lists in this forum so i dont expect u to have an objective opinion on the matter. Its clear from the build itself, and ive also looked at his dudu topic, that he doesnt pvp much so its no surprise to me that his builds r not great.
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Feb 7 2020 12:08pm
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As they say, realising u r in denial is half the battle.

Guy clearly mostly mfs with this char, lookin at his juvs and tp scrolls in the belt. And u guys r in eachothers friends lists in this forum so i dont expect u to have an objective opinion on the matter. Its clear from the build itself, and ive also looked at his dudu topic, that he doesnt pvp much so its no surprise to me that his builds r not great.


I was actually baaling her, i dont use mana pots for that m8. And you dont even know what a hybrid is you literally telling me to make a 102fcr sin with griffs, your hybrid build would have 102fcr 0 ds 34%dr 6k attack rating, i prefer my setup to that trash.
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I was actually baaling her, i dont use mana pots for that m8. And you dont even know what a hybrid is you literally telling me to make a 102fcr sin with griffs, your hybrid build would have 102fcr 0 ds 34%dr 6k attack rating, i prefer my setup to that trash.



Hyb is a trapper with ww for stun and fhr break escape.

Thats why ppl build ghost/spiders if they wanna focus on wwdmg

Dunno why u even talking about DR, fade is all the dr u ever use on any assa and if thats why u using 9 shadow sks, then gl to u :p

6k ar is plently vs any caster with max block, if u actually had experience in the matchup, u would know that.

If u looking to overpower a smiter/hdin with ur ww dmg, u r doing it wrong and u will get rekt vs any good player.

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Hyb is a trapper with ww for stun and fhr break escape.

Thats why ppl build ghost/spiders if they wanna focus on wwdmg

Dunno why u even talking about DR, fade is all the dr u ever use on any assa and if thats why u using 9 shadow sks, then gl to u :p

6k ar is plently vs any caster with max block, if u actually had experience in the matchup, u would know that.

If u looking to overpower a smiter/hdin with ur ww dmg, u r doing it wrong and u will get rekt vs any good player.



Because dr is relevant against majority of mu u come across, againsts other hybrids, ghosts, spiders, barb, windys, smiter, vt, zon. Literally need dr for most mu. Hybrids arent fpk so idk why you build your guy vs only casters when you gonna run against alot of other char. Aleo your build wouldnt even hit trap lay speed, so your build only advantage is can tele faster and cast mb, menawhile your dr sucks your ar sucks your trap lay speed sucks, pretty much everything about yoursetup sucks.

This post was edited by Cransnam on Feb 7 2020 12:21pm
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As they say, realising u r in denial is half the battle.

Guy clearly mostly mfs with this char, lookin at his juvs and tp scrolls in the belt. And u guys r in eachothers friends lists in this forum so i dont expect u to have an objective opinion on the matter. Its clear from the build itself, and ive also looked at his dudu topic, that he doesnt pvp much so its no surprise to me that his builds r not great.



Dropping shadow GCs for trap will decrease Ar, phys damage, claw block % chance, mind blast level, shadow master level, venom damage, DR %. All to gain 1-400 Trap damage per GC.

Assuming your opponent has 85% Res (Spirit of Phoenix + Lo Rune in helm), that 1x trap gc adds an average of 5.1 PvP damage per LS. Math:
1-400 average damage is: 200.5. We will round down to 200 for easy math.

200 * .17 = 34 < where .17 is the pvp penalty

34 * . 15 = 5.1 > where .15 is 85% res in decimal form.

That added LS damage is hardly worth all the loss from the shadow disc tree.

There is little difference between 3max/20/20 and 36/20 in terms of usefulness for a hybrid. Hybrids, because only 1 hard point into claw mastery and only a lvl 1 base WW level (before all skills are applied), natively get very little damage % bonus and Attack Rating % bonus. The 3max damage doesn’t go very far. Therefore, it’s more important to hit your oppjent and hopefully land Open Wounds and cause more FHR checks than dealing slightly more damage.

Arguably your hardest opponent is a bvc, due to the ease of how they can stack Lightning resist + along with high DR. Then you add there 3000 life advantage and massive WW damage over yours, the matchup is tough. With them having 9-10k defense, you proposing only having 6k AR gives you around a 37% chance to hit them on fools side. Your chaos AR will be around 3k, giving you like a 15% chance to hit with that claw. Hitting the 12k + AR point for fools claw for hybrid is critical for every matchup.

As far as 102 build on hybrid, hybrid only gains casting Mind blast faster and teleporting faster with 102, but loses:
Attack rating
16% DR
Bad WSG claw placement unless you have a good eth rep fools runic talons (which I’m the only one on East that has)
Life
Damage
37% Deadly strike

The trade off just isn’t worth it and unbalances the character and turns it into more of a trapper, but with less LS damage and no life rep. You would be better off just going full trapper than going 102 hybrid.

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

The only true argument to have with his build is swapping Plague Bite for a 2sin/30+ ias/fools/eth rep/290+ Ed/3ls claw. I would lean more towards the later (the 2sin as opposed to 2 socket) however plague bite is just slightly worse.
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