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shakko is better noob get basics
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Quote (Snoke @ Jul 27 2018 07:26am)
This is quite nice and omg another person saying frw isn't needed on zon LOL
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Lol my thoughts as well
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Quote (JoGG @ 27 Jul 2018 15:24)
Visable frw on zon are useless.


Quote (Fek @ 27 Jul 2018 16:26)
i said :
any non req frw on a helm is shit--> useless (class doesnt matter)
learn how to read


ok so, for rare circs, no matter the char.

u get some basic good stat combos like life/mana or life/@ or dex/life rest is just minor bonus that u wouldnt rly need, combined with 2/20fcr or 2/30frw or 2/20/30 ofc... point is, once u get the basic stat combos that r most useful for ur char the next best add is 30frw regardless of whether u can str bug it or not.

when the servers were running super smooth before 1.14, u could literally play with no str bugged eni with dudu/nec vs good traps and u wouldnt notice a huge difference as long as the nec/dudu player is good obv and they got around 100frw. most of the time, unless its super tryhard/pride duels a lot of good players dont even bother refreshing str to bug themselves.

speaking exclusively for bowa magic circs i disagree again that frw is useless cos that 100l that u ll get form a 100/3 doesnt matter in almost any matchup other than vs hdins where u could potentially save some points that u'd put in vita to reach 3k life so u can tank 1 hammer and then put those to dex so u can do a bit more dmg... ultimately nothing changes and sure if u got perm 5frw/3max scs u'd use 100l helm once u reach 150frw but thats not cost effective for most players and the difference would be almost unnoticeable.

and in terms of str bug related to wsg efficiency. the difference between someone with 150frw with frw circ and 150frw without frw circ would be the same as u simply playing zon with 120frw instead of 150. and thats only on paper since if lets say u got 150frw in total but only 120 is glitched, u ll still be glitching better than someone that has only the 120 glitched frw.


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Quote (luckspin @ Aug 2 2018 05:57pm)
ok so, for rare circs, no matter the char.

u get some basic good stat combos like life/mana or life/@ or dex/life rest is just minor bonus that u wouldnt rly need, combined with 2/20fcr or 2/30frw or 2/20/30 ofc... point is, once u get the basic stat combos that r most useful for ur char the next best add is 30frw regardless of whether u can str bug it or not.

when the servers were running super smooth before 1.14, u could literally play with no str bugged eni with dudu/nec vs good traps and u wouldnt notice a huge difference as long as the nec/dudu player is good obv and they got around 100frw. most of the time, unless its super tryhard/pride duels a lot of good players dont even bother refreshing str to bug themselves.

speaking exclusively for bowa magic circs i disagree again that frw is useless cos that 100l that u ll get form a 100/3 doesnt matter in almost any matchup other than vs hdins where u could potentially save some points that u'd put in vita to reach 3k life so u can tank 1 hammer and then put those to dex so u can do a bit more dmg... ultimately nothing changes and sure if u got perm 5frw/3max scs u'd use 100l helm once u reach 150frw but thats not cost effective for most players and the difference would be almost unnoticeable.

and in terms of str bug related to wsg efficiency. the difference between someone with 150frw with frw circ and 150frw without frw circ would be the same as u simply playing zon with 120frw instead of 150. and thats only on paper since if lets say u got 150frw in total but only 120 is glitched, u ll still be glitching better than someone that has only the 120 glitched frw.



Thank you to be clear for the OP, it saved me time for typing.
Whereas Fek and Jogg speaking about things and don't make it clear for other people.
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8/10 wow nice :)

Because its a Rarity to get stats like 2sk 30frw Vision life 2sock in an item from the self/legit drop in game.
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Quote (luckspin @ Aug 2 2018 05:57pm)



...speaking exclusively for bowa magic circs i disagree again that frw is useless cos that 100l that u ll get form a 100/3 doesnt matter in almost any matchup other than vs hdins where u could potentially save some points that u'd put in vita to reach 3k life so u can tank 1 hammer and then put those to dex so u can do a bit more dmg... ultimately nothing changes and sure if u got perm 5frw/3max scs u'd use 100l helm once u reach 150frw but thats not cost effective for most players and the difference would be almost unnoticeable.

and in terms of str bug related to wsg efficiency. the difference between someone with 150frw with frw circ and 150frw without frw circ would be the same as u simply playing zon with 120frw instead of 150. and thats only on paper since if lets say u got 150frw in total but only 120 is glitched, u ll still be glitching better than someone that has only the 120 glitched frw...



i agree on ur statement all other classes, but not on bowa.
Have u even tried it out for urself or are u just repeating what u read somewhere else :]?
The difference is huge. The difference between 155 - 215 is close to nothing tho.

5 frws or not, fully bugged frw on zon is the way to go.
Its not only about the hp from circ, compared to a 30frw circ ull actually lose between 20-100 hp depending on 5 or 3frws, but swapping 30visable frw for 30bugged.

Its also about not relying on circ or amu for frw, for instance one could use a life everlasting circ/amu to ignore mindblast dmg or put on dracs/giant skull/matri faith for the laughs.
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Quote (JoGG @ 3 Aug 2018 15:46)
i agree on ur statement all other classes, but not on bowa.
Have u even tried it out for urself or are u just repeating what u read somewhere else :]?
The difference is huge. The difference between 155 - 215 is close to nothing tho.

5 frws or not, fully bugged frw on zon is the way to go.
Its not only about the hp from circ, compared to a 30frw circ ull actually lose between 20-100 hp depending on 5 or 3frws, but swapping 30visable frw for 30bugged.

Its also about not relying on circ or amu for frw, for instance one could use a life everlasting circ/amu to ignore mindblast dmg or put on dracs/giant skull/matri faith for the laughs.


ive had zon for around 3 years, been playing with 150frw and 30/3 since the beginning, any m/u, haven't had issues up until 1.14 but thats nothing to do with strbugged frw ;p
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Quote (luckspin @ Aug 3 2018 06:03pm)
ive had zon for around 3 years, been playing with 150frw and 30/3 since the beginning, any m/u, haven't had issues up until 1.14 but thats nothing to do with strbugged frw ;p



Not saying its bad, just saying the other build is superior :].
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