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Feb 2 2011 08:35pm

Quote (Tboner @ 3 Feb 2011 02:18)

even if u used 2 *60ish life fcr rings I dont see how you got that life..

and your trap dmg wasnt near mine was it?

I prefer 65 to 102.. more versatile you dont need 102fcr mb to hold people if you are good at trap placement.. and the AR from visionary is huge

i had 8.5k with 102 fcr wich is fine..
but i also had better venom dmg + higher dr and wb as i said before..
i can try see if i can find some old screens..

and btw, i play mostly tvt, and in tvt 102 >>>>>>>>>>> 65 fcr..

in some 1n1 duels 65 fcr is fine tho.. but 102 is much better vs casters..

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Feb 2 2011 08:36pm

Quote (ashwinthegrim @ Feb 2 2011 06:28pm)

For a 65 fcr build, why the hell would you use a fcr amulet? get fcr from ring, use highlord's..

9 x shadow gcs should be the inventory.. highest trap damage on a hybrid is nothing to boast about if you don't have max DR or decent resists, claw block, etc..

Because highlords isnt that useful.. I have great res.. The high trap damage is really useful (I have dont many tests.. 4trap/5shadow is perf combo)

Also as I have said this build works because of the high +skills.. If I wanted to make a mediocre trap dmg 65 fcr tank sin I could, I prefer the high trap damage as im good at evading getting hit.

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Feb 2 2011 08:38pm

Quote (Tboner @ Feb 2 2011 04:53pm)

How can you say I dont understand these things when you dont even know me? I understand them probably better then most.. and this character is very effective if played correctly

How can you say I cant stunlock someone like a ghost or 20mb trapper.. you do realize that once someone has swirlies on them amount of damage is irrelevant therefore I can stun the same as either right?

And you do know that level of mb has no effect whatsoever on the amount of stun from one mb right? Higher level simply means more damage output, shadow spams it more often, and the swirlies last longer

I can beat many chars with tgods on.. great thing about such high trap damage is my traps still hurt them quite a bit even if they tgods and I can still ww them.. ofc this char is no good in bmpk thats a given

and? the unbuffed stats are still good lol... show me better.. Not many sins have it.. they may have better phys ww dmg but then wont be near me in trap/venom dmg

I gave you a reason why I dislike your assassin and you still try to prove me wrong.
Dictatorship FTL.

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Feb 3 2011 12:28am

almost every good hybrid player who is active on jsp posted here meaning your build is bad, and u are still arguing against. A retard, no more to say.

Quote (Tboner @ 2 Feb 2011 20:47)

I like flaming dumbasses like madmaxio.. its fun to see their stupidity

Too bad its mostly you, and you clearly know nothing

i actually pointed at your char stats, and u keep denying facts and calling me stupid.

This post was edited by Madmaxio on Feb 3 2011 12:29am

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Feb 3 2011 05:43am

Quote (notorius @ 3 Feb 2011 02:10)

listen to him , dude, he had one of the best EU hybs before he retired. And i share his opinion too.

Also you didnt pointed out which claw ur using for Chaos, so we can only speculate about the WSM.
On the Rare one i cant see any ias so, i assume u use the wsm-bug for getting max trap-speed which would be annoying ( for me ).

still waiting for an answer.

Quote (Madmaxio @ 3 Feb 2011 08:28)

almost every good hybrid player who is active on jsp posted here meaning your build is bad, and u are still arguing against. A retard, no more to say.

i actually pointed at your char stats, and u keep denying facts and calling me stupid.

sad, but i have to agree with Madmaxio.

Hardest competitor for hybsins are definitely BvC Barbs (with TG since its sill GM), i even cant imagine to duel such chars without 50Dr / 50% OW / 48fhr / [maxlife-possible].

This post was edited by notorius on Feb 3 2011 05:44am

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Feb 3 2011 11:29am

*shrug* i like his sin, but i do agree that he'd need switch gear vs certain chars where a few extra trap dmgs wont be all that helpful.

my hybsin stilll has a hell of a time vs BvCs and some din builds even when i throw on my max dr, high ar, high OW, high fhr, etc gear...

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Feb 3 2011 07:59pm

Quote (Madmaxio @ Feb 2 2011 10:28pm)

I call you stupid because you come off that way

you havent posted any true facts..

Quote (notorius @ Feb 3 2011 03:43am)

still waiting for an answer.

sad, but i have to agree with Madmaxio.

Hardest competitor for hybsins are definitely BvC Barbs (with TG since its sill GM), i even cant imagine to duel such chars without 50Dr / 50% OW / 48fhr / [maxlife-possible].

An answer for what? Do i WSM bug? yes.. but im currently talking with someone with both a 2/3/fools/40ias feral claw and a 3/3/3 RT base chaos.. with those I wont need to wsm bug and will free up one slot in helm for some more DR

And yes I agree BvCs are very hard, while you cant imagine dueling a TG barb without 15 more dr, I cant imagine dueling them without my high trap damage, its not as if I want to trade wws with them

Im pretty good at keeping them locked up and dodging WWs so I would personally rather have the high trap damage.

Quote (Batou079 @ Feb 3 2011 09:29am)

Thanks for being one of the few open minded people in the TR not a lot of people seem to understand the purpose of this sin is the high trap dmg, if I wanted a reg cookie cutter hyb I could easily make one

I am doing experiments currently with a verdungos build but so far it seems like its not worth it.. the damage drop is huge

Would never go for a 102 I dont think, first off I think my net lags too much for 102fcr tele.. and I find 65 sufficient so why mess with something thats working for me

This post was edited by Tboner on Feb 3 2011 08:10pm

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Feb 4 2011 03:56am

Quote (Tboner @ 4 Feb 2011 01:59)

I call you stupid because you come off that way

you havent posted any true facts..

An answer for what? Do i WSM bug? yes.. but im currently talking with someone with both a 2/3/fools/40ias feral claw and a 3/3/3 RT base chaos.. with those I wont need to wsm bug and will free up one slot in helm for some more DR

And yes I agree BvCs are very hard, while you cant imagine dueling a TG barb without 15 more dr, I cant imagine dueling them without my high trap damage, its not as if I want to trade wws with them

Im pretty good at keeping them locked up and dodging WWs so I would personally rather have the high trap damage.

Thanks for being one of the few open minded people in the TR not a lot of people seem to understand the purpose of this sin is the high trap dmg, if I wanted a reg cookie cutter hyb I could easily make one

I am doing experiments currently with a verdungos build but so far it seems like its not worth it.. the damage drop is huge

Would never go for a 102 I dont think, first off I think my net lags too much for 102fcr tele.. and I find 65 sufficient so why mess with something thats working for me

dmg drop is huge?
if you use dungos + fcr ring + 20 fcr amu you will lose 600 dmg from the build you have now.. if you use dungus + fcr + raven + 20 fcr ring like most others, you will lose 900-1k dmg.. but gain better stats..

This post was edited by xtcsuperman on Feb 4 2011 03:56am

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Feb 4 2011 06:29am

Dunno if there are only bad pvp players on your realm but 31/39 DR is an auto-fail.

Generally I'm open for all hybsin builds as long as they're balanced.

Your build got a huge trap dmg for sure and if you want your hybsin to be purely trap based, that's fine (even though the community will always tell you to use highlords, 2x ber circlet, etc.).

But you should really cover all the important stats/equip setups ! With just 31 DR any bowazon will have an easy matchup (and bvc's an even easier one). Also the 102 fc setup is neccessary vs boners and sorc's and very helpfull in some matchups (hdins, other sins, bvc's, etc.).

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Feb 4 2011 06:46am

Quote (Tboner @ 4 Feb 2011 04:59)

oh lol, u are obsessed with trap dmg just as a regular noob.
when ppl talk about "stats" they do mean fcr, life dr at first (for hybsin).
and still , u keep denying the fact about necs. "i catch" them with 65 fcr, what a joke lol

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